Fed up with the education divide ?

Birds no, in different schools. It allows mobility between levels without changing schools. It is the comprehensive sysyem, without the private schools, but with social and educational mobility.

People want choice, give them choice, but not at the expense of less academic pupils.

Great Martorana, that's sorted then

If you look at a reception class you can pick out the ones the ones that are going to pass the 11+. So you might as well divide them up then. We could call the different groups Upper, Middle,Lower and Under. Just a suggestion.......

But Horse, at what age are you then asking children to decide that languages which they may have first encountered at the age of 11 are going to be their 'thing' in life? Or asking a child who did no music and only the odd assembly at primary to decide that they want an acting career? What about the scientist who wants to work abroad, or the sound engineer who needs music, maths and physics?

I applaud your lateral thinking but don't see how to make it work.

If I've misunderstood, and you are suggesting several streams -- arts, science, humanities within the same school, isn't that the same as picking your GCSEs?

It works well for the tutored and advantaged.

horse : that is a comp
it works well outside london

Bottom 25% Vocational schools linked to learning a trade.

I think they should have all abilitites in all schools but separate them by specialism - science, arts, humanities, languages. You can easily fit separate streams in within each school, children are then segregated according to their own personal interest rather than their tutored 'intellect'.

at what age would you split that
(she says as the mum of an late august son who only learned to write in year 2 but now flies)

Vanilla.

How about a three tier education system such as
Top 25% Grammar School
Middle 50% Secondary/High /Technical U.T.C
Bottom 25% Vocational schools linked to learning a trade..

vanilla
that link is KS2 results so it utterly irrelevant to the y7-y11 Hampshire comps
so far you have linked primary and A level
and actually in the primary link, Hampshire is above average if you check the data

still waiting for a scintilla of proof that hampshire is the prrof that Comps do not work

i often wonder what makes teachers want to teach in the private sector

Money.

Good friend of my DH is head of PE and has nearly doubled his income making the switch.

I already given you two sources. I't ear-on-year below average.

Here is another www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-25332808

Comprehensive model doesn't work, unless it's modulated by hidden social / wealth selection. And the key reason is the bottom X%.

Everyone knows Hants is an educational nowhere-land for years. It's below average as a county in all league tables.

Link please

An interesting chestnut is chariable status of many private schools. Many private schools were set up hundreds of years ago as charities. I wonder what the original founders of some private schools would think of the high levels of social exclusivity. I feel that private schools with charitable status need to support their local community. Educating the rich is not a charitable aim in its own right.

I think that social moblity is caused by lack of parental aspiration rather than lack of money or going to comprehensive.

In the UK we have state schools for the rich and state schools for the poor. Poor expectations of children from low income families has damned thousands of children. It is easier to go against the grain in primary school than in secondary school. Peer pressure makes it very hard (not impossible!) for the bright child to suceeed in a rough comprehensive.

I think we need to do more to stop distruptive children ruining the education of the other 29 children in the class. We need more specialist units and special schools to cope with children who have severe behavioural problems rather than repeatly moving them from one sink school to another. Wealthy middle class schools need to be forced to go over their numbers and take their fair share of difficult children.

It would be interesting if all secondary schools were forced to certain proportion of places for children on free school meals. I would like ablity banding so that all secondary schools have enough children to run a decent top set.

Oh stop it, Talking. Everyone knows Hants is an educational nowhere-land for years. It's below average as a county in all league tables.

I moved out of there because of mediocre education on offer.

True, Talkin- no exam. But there is an audition.

Fulston Manor is in Kent : it is therefore by definition not comprehensive
and there is a HUGE difference between
www.fulstonmanor.kent.sch.uk/page/?title=Admissions&pid=733
expressed a preference
and passed an exam

Hampshire comp schools only go to 16 so that A level link is irrelevant

do you have a more reputable link than the Daily Grammargraph?

i often wonder what makes teachers want to teach in the private sector

you get to teach the cream of the crop - if it is a school that is fee paying and has an entrance exam

or you teach kids whose parents pay loads hence you get paid lots to teach them

what's the joy of teaching if you don't teach all abilities and backgrounds.

"-Particular aptitude in either sport or performing arts (governors award a maximum of 10% of such places in total). Places will only be offered under this criterion if the parent has expressed a preference on the “Common Application Form” for Fulston Manor School)"

Extract for a Fulston Manot school admissions policy 20124/15. Fulston Manor is a comprehensive school- well, as comprehensive as a non grammar school in a selective area can be,

Here is one link the infor for each school is compared to LEA average and national average
www.telegraph.co.uk/education/leaguetables/10590630/A-level-school-league-tables-2014-compare-your-schools-performance.html#region/South_East
BBC league tables also do comparison between counties/LEA

I don't understand your point Talking. What do you want to prove?

I think it would really help if the sibling rule stopped counting at secondary school. People moving close to their chosen school for a year, then moving to cheaper larger accommodation in order to get two or three children in will think twice about it, leaving spaces for local children only. Property prices will even out slightly as people stop playing the game. A lottery system would also be helpful for schools within a reasonable distance from the child's home.

and yeah, we all know about Thornden round here ... its a running joke

now explain the rest of the schools that do not have selective intake

Biggest mistake of my life, not insisting on DD2 going to a Private prep school at 7....

vanilla
I cannot find a link that has results by "LEA"
probably because LEA secondary schools are now in the minority

could you link for me?