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How much homework does your Y7 grammar/independent child get?

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kitnkaboodle · 20/11/2013 10:41

Our Y7 son was a high-flyer at a good state primary. He's started at local, good comp. He would have sailed through 11+, I'm sure, but the nearest grammar is an hour's journey away and we saw no problem with the state school. He's happy there and has good friendship circle. I'm keeping a discreet eye on his schoolwork/homework. Homework is pretty cursory at the moment. I didn't worry last term as he had enough on his plate with settling in/getting himself organised on his own. Some of the homework tasks are a bit Hmm and not as challenging as he was used to at primary.

I know homework is not the be-all and end-all, and he's only in his second term, but just wondered what kind of stuff kids at more selective schools are getting, and how long they spend on homework each day.

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saintlyjimjams · 22/11/2013 09:38

Oh don't worry curlew there's no chance of that. He has inherited mine & his father's drawing skills Grin

curlew · 22/11/2013 09:36

Saintly, from bitter experience- don't let him choose Art for GCSE. It's a positive nightmare!

saintlyjimjams · 22/11/2013 09:34

Oh bizarrely he gets loads of art homework. I don't remember ever being set homework in art (didn't do it for I level) he's rubbish at art

saintlyjimjams · 22/11/2013 09:33

Ds2 in year 7 at grammar.

It really varies. Some weeks loads, other weeks hardly any. Tends to get maths & English every week. Vocab learning for mfl & Latin. Revision for tests - and a lot of extended project work where they're given a longer piece which is always left to the last minute

It's enough - I wouldn't want him to have any more, but it's not every day. He tends to do the majority of it at the weekend.

curlew · 22/11/2013 09:28

Why on earth did you let a primary aged child stay up to 11 doing homework? That is utterly, utterly outrageous!

Kenlee · 22/11/2013 09:26

daughter is suppose to do two hours...she says in prep after school can do it in 30 to 45 mins top..She is grateful for the 1 hr 15 min quiet time...after prep is dinner . Then alot of playing till bedtime

At her old primary she would be up till 11pm to finish...

curlew · 22/11/2013 09:25

I mean that if homework is learning new things, rather than consolidating things they've done in class "do another 5 of those maths problems to make sure you really know how to do them" "learn these 10 Spanish words" then something is wrong with the teaching.

pickledsiblings · 22/11/2013 09:19

Do you mean that in Y7/8 homework is not necessary in order for the curriculum to be covered curlew? I can't make sense of what you're saying otherwise.

I would say a lot of what DD is doing is extension beyond NC year 7/8, along with the usual French vocab/conjugations committing to memory type work.

curlew · 22/11/2013 07:46

"teacherwith2kids, in DD's case more homework = more learning. So those kids without it are missing out."

Really? Something wrong with the teaching then. Particularly if we're talking about year7/8.

Picturesinthefirelight · 21/11/2013 23:13

Dd is supposed to get 2-3 pieces of 20 min homework per night. Usually it's less than that

Apparently the boarders have a 45 min prep slot at the boarding house. Dd usually does half an hour in the evening & then about 10-15 mins before school.

pickledsiblings · 21/11/2013 23:08

teacher, her homework is classified as Prepare, Consolidate or Stretch and on the whole I have been pretty impressed with the tasks set.

teacherwith2kids · 21/11/2013 22:53

So, pickled, she learns completely new things through her homework that (citically) cannot be taught during the schoiol day more efficiently and effectively?

DS knows more Russian vocab because he does his homework. That i am not disputing, But would he learn more History from an excellent History lesson in which he does a short piece of writing, followed by verbal feedback from his teacher, or from slogging through a 'I always set this for homework' essay?

pickledsiblings · 21/11/2013 22:50

teacherwith2kids, in DD's case more homework = more learning. So those kids without it are missing out.

OP she is in an independent school and got an average of 2 x 20-30 mins per night in Y7.

ReallyTired · 21/11/2013 22:45

There is no point in a school setting mountains of homework that never gets marked properly. It is far better for teachers to do less marking, but make it high quality marking. (ie. detailed on how to improve, written conversations between teacher and child instead of a cursory tick)

Tiffins boys has drastically reduced its homework load.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1059621/Top-grammar-school-slashes-homework-burden-pupils-depressing.html

teacherwith2kids · 21/11/2013 22:40

Meant to say, btw, DS, high performing comp, gets between 0 and 3 pieces of homework a day. Most are short 20 minute jobs like the aforementioned 'read the next 4 chapters, looking particularly at' or 'learn the Russian for numbers up to 20', but others are longer. We don't get involed at all unless he asks us (either to help scheduling or to help structure a task, usually) but I get the impression that the longer tasks aren't necessarily intended to be longer, but they are those like Geography or History that he loves and will spend time on for fun.

His effort and achievement marks are very uniform across al subjects, so the extra / reduced time spent on homework seems to have no impact on his actual performance.

Local superselective gives lots of homework as far as I can see, but from discussion with the children attending it, much is of the 'makework' variety rather than actually moving learning on IYSWIM?

busyboysmum · 21/11/2013 21:53

DS is at a grammar, and he does hardly any. Most nights none at all although he says he has done it at school.

Maybe 20 mins at home, once or twice a week.

My friend whose child is in the year above pre-warned me about this.

I'm not bothered, if they get the results then it's great.

duchesse · 21/11/2013 21:48

My children got 3x 30 mn homeworks a night, although it could take them 2 hours sometimes.

teacherwith2kids · 21/11/2013 21:32

I am not, btw, advcating the removal of secondary homework. Some is valuable, and the idea of personal responsibility / individual study is valuable in itself.

However the idea that quantity of homework is in any way correlated to quality of school is not one that I quite understand.

Obviously, there may be a non-causal link - traditionally, gramars may have set lots of homework. Traditionally, grammars also get high results. The causal link is in fact that grammars get high results because they select the most able pupils. The correlation to homework is a red herring.

Or there may be a reverse link - non setting of hoimework may indicate lax teachers, which might indicate poor teaching in school. Or it may indicate that the school is in a very deprived area, where because such a high proportion of the students will be vulnerably or unsuitably housed, with minimal provision for doing homework, the school has made a policy decision not to send work home but to manage all 'formal' learning within the school walls. In the latter case at least, the poor reputation of the school will be everything to do with the socioeconomics of the intake and nothing at all to do with homework....

As I say, seems odd to me that 'more homework' = 'better school' in the eyes of some.

teacherwith2kids · 21/11/2013 21:05

Agree, Curlew. Why is the measure of learning INSIDE school seen to be the amount of work they have to do OUTSIDE school? Simplistically - and I realise that this is a simplistic view - then the more the child learns IN school (ie the better the school), the less they should need to do outside it.

Obviously, some homework is useful - DS (year 8, comp) learns lots of vocabulary for his 2 MFLs and that is obviously useful, and obviously involves more repetition than is available in lesson time. Equally useful are reading / research / preparation homework - so lots of reading of a class novel, including areas to focus on, in preparation for English lessons. And I agree that a certain amount of 'rehearsal' homework, in subjects such as Maths, is of value so that class time can principally be used for new learning.

However, how much more beneficial is it to write an analysis of source material in History, say, in a lesson - with a teacher on hand to question and extend, all resources available, instant response to misunderstandings and queries, and instant extension / support or redirection as required - rather than slog through it at home, a long time after the point of teaching? I appreciate that at e.g. A-level, it is not time-efficient to write full essays in class. However, in earlier years, if we consider what will maximise the amount a child learns, 5 minutes of writing in direct response to a personalised question from a teacher in class may well be worth hour of routine homework slog.

curlew · 21/11/2013 20:41

Why are people so hung up on homework? Why would you want an 11 year old to come home from school at, say 4.00, a lot even later- then have 2 hours homework to do? When do they practice instruments, read books, ride bikes, go to Scouts, watch telly, mess around with their siblings, write stories, do chores, go to extra curricular things, do nothing, get bored, walk the dog.............

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Poppylovescheese · 21/11/2013 20:08

My DS is at an indie and gets loads IMO for YR7. Usually at least 3 pieces per night taking around half an hour each.

Marmitelover55 · 21/11/2013 18:51

My DD1 is in year 7 at a v high achieving comp and is meant to get on average 3 pieces a night, totalling about 1 hour, with a bit more at the weekends. I really wish she didn't have homework as I'm getting fed up with if myself.

kernowal · 21/11/2013 18:37

Bog standard academy here. DD gets at least 1 - 2 pieces of homework each evening which range from having to be done by the next day to within the next couple of weeks. Some are more challenging than others, but I think year 7 is more about trying to get them organised and used to doing different tasks for different subjects at the same time rather than stretching them academically. She gets home around 4pm and is usually finishing it at around 5-5.30 when I get in from work (at least I assume she hasn't been watching TV the whole time!)

marialuisa · 21/11/2013 18:35

DD now in Y8 at selective independent, the homework load is relatively low but was supposed to be no more than an hour per night in Y7. DD has a perfectionist streak so any project type homework expands. Our only gripe is that subjects like cookery have a homework slot which tends to be projects so DD will spend 2 hours creating a poster on "breads of the world" which doesn't seem very useful.

No homework in holidays and TBH I'd be horrified if they gave it as DD has plenty going on outside of school which we think is important and deserves h time too.