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Tearing my hair out over State boarding

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Teddingtonmum1 · 03/10/2013 23:30

As I'm a single mum with a demanding job , I have decided to look into state boarding preferably weekly if I can get my ds a place . Christs hospital is my number 1 choice due to the bursary and it's a great school ( my brother is an old blue so slightly biased ) am also looking at RAAs in Reigate and Gordon's in Woking got open days at both saturday and next thursday out of the 2 would prefer Gordon's as a fall back if we cant get into CH , but have been advised that I can claim tax credits towards the 'childcare ' bill .

Have quizzed Gordon's as to chances of getting in I live in teddington so the right side of London but they said it obviously depends on siblings etc .( no really fair if you only have one can see why there's sibling priority in primary but not at secondary as kids get themselves to school but those are the rules ) am a little hopeful to read someone got in last year from east London ? any thoughts about gordons ??? im just about tearing my hair out as need a boarding place otherwise my sond going to be forced to become a latch key kid which I don't want HELP !!!!

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RandomMess · 05/10/2013 19:26

What a complete arse, at all times be thankful he's your Ex Grin

Teddingtonmum1 · 05/10/2013 19:24

RM
The hostility is that bad he has refused to speak to me for 3 years now, his choice not mine we communicate via txt and email and that's only because at the last hearing in 2010 the judge told him that if he refused to communicate she would not make a contact order. But at least I have a r scored of everything that's been said.

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RandomMess · 05/10/2013 19:23

Part time nanny/housekeeper is an option though, don't discount it altogether. With Boarding school they do have much much longer school holidays what will you do about those?

Teddingtonmum1 · 05/10/2013 19:18

Hi Labro

This my issue in teddington there is 1 choice of secondary school , I had a conversation with Richmond admissions asking why have I got 4 'choices' when basically there's only realistically only one option it's a total farce .
Teddington has no wrap around care , yes he can sign up to after school clubs but he doesn't have to turn up like primary school if he doesn't turn up no one would even let me know. so he could be out with whom or doing what for 3/4 hours every day unsupervised this is not acceptable I can't believe that any judge would support this. I can't give up my job, and as I'm a consultant my work place changes every 3/6 months so hence boarding would be the best option. Daddy was offered to move closer to share the day to day childcare between us but funnily enough he wasn't keen. As the title says I am tearing my hair out know what to do I know there are some kids who already go home to an empty house and I personally don't agree especially when he is a only child so there's no siblings to have some company etc.

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Portofino · 05/10/2013 19:17

Or a local 6th former or 2.

Portofino · 05/10/2013 19:14

I wouldnt even call it child care for a 12 yo. PT housekeeper. If you are in London this might be good for a student for example. Or 2 as Random says, so you have back up.

Portofino · 05/10/2013 19:12

Well thinking outside of the box there are many - maybe even some with a school age child of their own - who are desperate for hours. Share the love in your local community ifyswim?

RandomMess · 05/10/2013 19:02

Great thinking Portofino, must be loads of people who would consider doing this 2-3 days per week, you could have 2 people so they could for each others holidays etc. Less than 2 hours per day you don't need to use registered childcare plus presumably he'd spend some time commuting to and from school. Younger dd goes to homework club at school most days to use their computers and printers etc.

Portofino · 05/10/2013 18:59

I you have no room for an au pair could you maybe not employ someone to do after school care/tidy up/cook dinner/supervise homework in the evenings for a few hours?

RandomMess · 05/10/2013 18:58

Our mortgage payments were 15% of gross income, but they only deducted 12.5%, so no allowance made for the extra 2.5% we had to pay. Like I said that was the old way - don't know how it is done.

The reasons for wanting both signatures is due to avoiding financial fraud and also for pastoral care - ie they want to know the truth of the hostility between parents etc. Certainly there are dc there who have been subject to domestic abuse, moved via WA so there is provision somehow in the system about non-signature of other parent. Perhaps it is worth speaking to them about that?

For shared ownership they would allow all/some of both your mortgage and rent payments. As for only having a 2 bed, although not ideal you could sleep in the lounge and keep your stuff in with ds' stuff in the largest bedroom? Realistically for how much longer would you need him to have an au pair? Certainly my next child is capable of being home alone in the evenings for a few hours at 11.

Labro · 05/10/2013 18:58

With the specific issues order, the judge is unlikely to rule that your ds should be allowed to go to a boarding school as their view is that there are plenty of day schools with wrap around care available, or as random has said an au pair arrangement, particularly if your ex is against boarding but can present viable alternatives. (Been there done that and got the t shirt with an ex trying to completely control ds education on the basis private schools are 'posh' and he has no intention of providing any details at all for the financial forms)

Teddingtonmum1 · 05/10/2013 18:57

Labro

Go to court , get a specific issue order you don't need a lawyer it's form c100 and it £215 to file .

I do everything for my son his dad waltzes in 4 days a month and does sod all yet he thinks he has the right to have an opinion has attended no open days but sends threatening emails that how dare I send his son to a boarding school but is not willing to help with day to day child care . This is one cake he is not to get to eat . Just filed last week so awaiting a court date and the fireworks that will ensue but it's my sons education so by any means necessary .

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Teddingtonmum1 · 05/10/2013 18:51

Despite living in teddington have no space for an au pair ( 2 bed flat !! No mansion lol )

Just a question re mortgage / rent allowance who's payments are 15% ??!!! Plus I have a shared ownership so not sure how that would work.

Re dad contributing no chance of that !! .

Am waiting for the initial bursary forms to arrive now am sick to the stomach ....

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Labro · 05/10/2013 18:50

I'm a single mum too, I was told explicitly that they could take a registration form with just my signature, but should ds be successful then the bursary application form and the admissions forms would HAVE to be completed by both parents. Ds father would not support anything like that so it became a complete non starter.
There are boarding and indie schools who will understand if you are honest about the lack of support from his father, others are stuck in the middle ages and expect 2 signatures to even accept registration. Its something you have to know their stance on as there would be nothing worse than gaining a place only for a bursary application to be refused because your ex won't sign.

Teddingtonmum1 · 05/10/2013 18:46

Re consent I am having to go to court and get a specific issue order to get the courts to allow him to go if a place is offered it just stuns me as why a parent would deprive their child of such an opportunity but it's more of a control issue so hopefully the judge will side with me his father has this idea about boarding schools but despite being invited refused to come to an open day to see for himself so you can see what kind of person I'm working with. We all have our crosses to bear I guess .....

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RandomMess · 05/10/2013 18:44

Wests Gift if I remember correctly entitles you to a 50% discount off your fees (ie after bursary).

If your ex contributed you would have to declare that anyway and the fees payable would go up accordingly!

So local school and Au Pair out of the question?

Teddingtonmum1 · 05/10/2013 18:40

Ok will give it a go!!!

This is what I'm terrified about is getting thru all this and have to turn it down, his father who is not in support of him applying to CH is refusing to contribute so it's all on me.

I went to the open day last week and admissions seemed very reluctant to talk numbers despite a number of parents voicing the same concerns I've worked out I would realistically need a min of 70% bursary which I don't know would be avalible, we do live in the old borough of twickenham which means we might be able to apply for the wests gift but not sure what that entails if anything financially

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RandomMess · 05/10/2013 18:35

derek Sad

When mine started it was the old system, and fortunately our mortgage was about 15% of gross income.

I do find it odd when some people have very very expensive homes with lots of equity over £500k and moan about the fees when they do have the option in life to move further out or into a smaller home/cheaper area to free up equity!

It is definitely a financial sacrifice to send your dc to CH and as with all boarding I only did as a last resort due to the local school being SO bad at that time.

Labro · 05/10/2013 18:35

Ah ok, Reeds recommend that the boys are working at level 5, similarly my ds took RGS guildford exam but didn't get through. CH is very difficult to work out bursaries, plus were you aware that they expect both parents to sign the admission forms etc.
It may be worth contacting Reeds, they are really helpful (ds has just done the 13+ pretest so bit biased but have found them very willing to discuss situations)

derektheladyhamster · 05/10/2013 18:31

The forum is inactive because no one new asks a question! Grin post one and everyone comes out of the woodwork to answer Grin

My ds2 is sitting the initial exams in a couple of weeks for CH, my ds1 is currently in yr 9.

But as generous as the bursery is, I still struggle to find the cash Sad

Teddingtonmum1 · 05/10/2013 18:26

My ds is 10 so year 6 is working at the bottom of level 5 in maths and English so not outstanding but not in the bottom which actually puts him in the squashed middle so to speak.

He took the Sutton grammar test but didn't get thru but I think that was more him being terrified and it was his first proper exam situation so he was a bit freaked out on the day. But you just get a in or out so no indication if he just missed the cut off or was way off the mark.

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Teddingtonmum1 · 05/10/2013 18:19

Hi RM

Have been on the forum but it doesnt seem to be very active they used to have a ready reckoner for fees but they have these situation tables which don't seem to fit into anyone's situation !! . I'm sure there are going to be some parents who will have to pull out due to cost and it seems a complete waste of time not only for the parents and children but the school as well. It's like buying a car and not knowing how much it costs until delivery !!.

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Labro · 05/10/2013 18:13

How old is ds? Reeds close their registration for 11+ in the November of your ds year 6 and test in the January. They also don't advise bursary amounts until after a place is offered. It would be worth you making a list of any independent schools that may be suitable and checking when they close registration and depending on your ds age contacting the bursars to see what they may have available. Its also worth remembering that even indie day schools often don't finish until 6pm or later.

RandomMess · 05/10/2013 18:07

There is an "unofficial Christ's Hospital" Forum, very helpful people on there - they may be able to give you and idea of what sort of fees or how the structure works at the moment. It used to be published but then it wasn't...

Would having an au pair not work for you?

Teddingtonmum1 · 05/10/2013 18:00

Hi randomness this is my issue with CH i have received no indication of what bursary we might be awarded which basically we could go thru all this ie exams , residential , interview and then not be able to afford it !! Which I think is very unfair on the children as they effectively have done their part and still not be able to take the place which would be devastating. So am looking at Gordon's just case , we have an open morning in 2 weeks which I'm looking forward to as they do weekly boarding which might be better then at least I get to see him every week.

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