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Year 7 maths - what is 'normal'? Speak to tutor/HoY?

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Takver · 02/10/2013 08:32

Sorry, a bit long, but don't want to drip. DD is finding maths very boring. She's shown me her target - which is the same she says for the whole group - and for this term it is (don't have her book here, but the sense of it) 'revise level 4 & get more than 70% in a test on this at the end of term'

She was assessed at level 5 in primary (teacher assessments not SATs here as in Wales), and says the work they're doing is stuff they did in year 4 - 5 at primary, and they aren't zipping through it, but going at a similar speed or slower. (They're working on area - quadrilaterals / triangles etc - pages and pages of working out the area of a rectangle.)

They're setted, she's in the top set (of 4 I believe), and she says as far as she can see she is one of the slower to do the work if anything - she has issues with writing/handwriting which slow her down a lot. So it seems unlikely that they have an intake that is particularly poor at maths.

As far as I can see, they're not even going to start doing work she did last year in primary until next term, so its going to be yr 8 until they do anything new. Its sad as maths has always been one of her favourite subjects, and I think she's just going to get massively put off.

Is this normal - do they usually do masses of revision and nothing new in yr 7? Sorry for the essay!!

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NoComet · 02/10/2013 10:46

Couldn't agree more the targets cause far more trouble than they are worth, but Ofsted insist DCs have them and know what to do to reach them.

So teachers do tend to mention them.

Makes no sense when they are pulled out the ether and are stupidly low (normal state for DD2 except for science which is idiotically high Confused)

I wish I could say GCSE ones were better, but if DD1 gets the number of As she's predicted, I'll eat my hat. (Targets are off CATs tests and there seems to be very little adjustment for her dyslexia or the fact that VR/NVR marks don't mean you can draw or act!)

NoComet · 02/10/2013 10:37

Yes, first set1 HW if Y8 was area of parallelograms/trapeziums. Very unusually DD2 asked for help. Normally I haven't a clue what's going on.

Takver · 02/10/2013 10:35

To be honest, I don't really care about the target, but I don't want her to be bored & put off maths

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NoComet · 02/10/2013 10:32

Worth an Email (Emails always being the best way to catch teachers. Even the pupils Email their teachers if they want to ask questions needing thought).

To HoY/progress leader and head of maths I'd have thought.

Sadly not uncommon for maths targets to seem low, DD2's top set one wasn't ambitious, but it wasn't as low as that.

(DD1 got put in the wrong set, so she spent a year twiddling her thumbs, but that's a long story)

Takver · 02/10/2013 10:24

I will definitely query, I think. The target I think specifically, as you say noblegiraffe, it seems like going backwards.

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noblegiraffe · 02/10/2013 10:19

Revise level 4 seems an exceptionally odd target for a child in a top set who is already a level 5. Ofsted would say 'where is the progress?'.
I would definitely query it.

Area of quadrilaterals would be fine for Y7: parallelograms, kites, trapeziums. Pages of rectangles, however, is not fine, it's a waste of time.

Takver · 02/10/2013 10:12

I will query cautiously, though lljkk, DD has been known to be wrong!!!

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lljkk · 02/10/2013 10:11

that alone is worth a phone call to query, Takver.

Takver · 02/10/2013 10:10

The whole class has the same target apparantly, Bluebell99 (which also seems a bit odd?)

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Takver · 02/10/2013 10:09

80 in the year, so small but not tiny. I did quiz dd a bit, and she is convinced that the others in the group are finding the work equally easy if not more so (as in, they can all write faster than her, so finish it sooner!)

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Bluebell99 · 02/10/2013 10:09

I've had a similar thing with my dd who has just entered yr 7. She was given a target of 5c for the end of yr 7. However she left primary at 5a (which was the highest level she could have got as her primary didn't teach level 6), I checked with school and was told it was an admin error and her target should be 6c , possibly 6b. So I would say worth checking with the school.

lljkk · 02/10/2013 10:05

how big is the yr group? I just have a funny feeling I've read something similar about Welsh secondaries before.

Takver · 02/10/2013 09:58

It seems excessive, doesn't it. When she moaned to start with I assumed they were just being gentle the first few weeks, but a term covering work from 2 yrs ago seems going a bit far!

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lljkk · 02/10/2013 09:46

I would chat to HoY about it. Shouldn't be purely revision.

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