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Anyone getting Pupil Premium for their kids? How does their school administer it?

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Screwfox · 14/09/2013 18:37

Tell all

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Talkinpeace · 15/09/2013 18:39

Private special schools certainly get it ... why would a private school taking a bursary kid not get it?

I have no problem with that
but
if the MOD have "special" rules for their over priviledged brats I become incandescent PDQ

  • too many gold braid get the state to put their kids through posh schools even though their wives have jobs and settled homes
  • they get free train tickets (first class) for them and their wives and kids for the duration of their service
  • they get subsidised flats in London that DO NOT count as addresses for allocation of (subsidised) boarding schools

but they cannot keep the Harriers flying ...

HmmAnOxfordComma · 15/09/2013 18:28

Erm, I don't think independent schools receive PP, do they? The funding comes via the Local Authority for maintained schools and directly from gov for academies. FSM and PP are nothing to do with Wellington etc.

media.education.gov.uk/assets/files/pdf/p/pupil%20premium%20faqs.pdf

Talkinpeace · 15/09/2013 17:42

LtEve
Could you explain to me what impact the Libya campaign had on children at Wellington, Kings Gutesloh, Queen Anne's Caversham ,
during that term - no financial change, no locational change, no change at all : therefore PP would never ever be applicable
surely

soul2000 · 15/09/2013 17:35

This boarding school perk is for senior officers in the armed forces. I cant imagine that there are many private's or sergeants with DDs at Downe House or DSs at Winchester College. This needs to be modifield to realistic levels. Senior officers earn good money probably their earnings would put them in the top 10 to 15% of earners in the country anyway. I bet half the officers joined just for that perk, its like having another 40-50k a year on top of their salary. To think that Winchester might be getting Pupil premium makes my blood boil when there are so many schools unable to pay for specialist teachers.

Talkinpeace · 15/09/2013 17:11

If Winchester College got PP for my brother's son while his DD was at Downe (? getting pp )and they cynically timed their postings to get kid free weekends in London while he was in Whitehall / Northholt even though she had a well paid non forces job
it will UTTERLY discredit the MOD perks even further than they were already.
FFS
nobody in the forces earns below £17,500 a year
so nobody in the forces should get PP
its bad enough the subsidised (£15,000 of taxpayers money) towards Whitehall officers putting their kids through schools the rest of us cannot afford (but are paying for)
but adding PP is taking the piss

BoneyBackJefferson · 15/09/2013 13:27

Sorry, just seen that LtEve has discussed the point.

BoneyBackJefferson · 15/09/2013 13:25

Screwfox
"Yes. But don't think they can claim poverty."
No they can't but they can claim to be moved from post to post and miss out on vital lessons and may need extra help/lessons to keep up with their peers.

Letticetheslug · 15/09/2013 09:00

We employ another teacher to support a class which has several children who need a lot of help esp with maths and literacy. The majority of those children receive pp. Also pays for music lessons for 2 children and subsidises some trips /educational activities. Ofsted were very happy with how we used it.

EverybodysGoneSurfing · 15/09/2013 07:37

And it isn't for one particular child. It is funding that the school attracts because they are educating that child. It is not ringfenced in anyway.

BoundandRebound · 15/09/2013 07:35

You are judging every parent by your own abilities, involvement and confidence

It is schools remit to try to level out playing field

we have extremely high pupil premium percentage and almost as high FSM

EverybodysGoneSurfing · 15/09/2013 07:34

Oh and I am SLT and didn't get slated even though every PP kid doesn't get one to one tuition! But they do all get access to the personalised learning that is right for them.

Screwfox · 15/09/2013 07:34

You're generalising.

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BoundandRebound · 15/09/2013 07:33

Still wrong sometimes those with most need are the least likely to speak up

This should be SLT decision

Screwfox · 15/09/2013 07:32

(I think you're doing parents a disservice. I'd like to suggest how it were spent if my kid got it (

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EverybodysGoneSurfing · 15/09/2013 07:31

We just had Ofsted who praised our use of PP- and there is certainly no parental involvement in how it is spent. We might use it for individual trips, books etc (although Activities for All pays for that too) but much is spent on staffing HLTAs for Maths and English, behaviour support workers, one to one tuition. There is nothing wrong with using it to the benefit of all as long as PP students are included.

Screwfox · 15/09/2013 07:31

No. You've misunderstood. There's not a list but will be range of choices presented that match the needs (ie self esteem ,revision skills etc)

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LtEveDallas · 15/09/2013 07:30

I get that eve. Just not relevant for officers families who haven't moved in 5 years. Imo

Maybe not screwfox, but none of us knows what is around the corner - a short deployment, like when Libya kicked off, meant officers deploying with less than 2 weeks notice. Although I'd be surprised at any forces personnel not moving for 5 years - it would be dire for their career. Families can stay whilst the service person moves though.

BoundandRebound · 15/09/2013 07:29

Sorry but I am stunned, and slightly appalled, that parents at your school get a checklist to choose from

Your school should, IMO, know where the need lies and evaluate where the money should be used.

No single parent can understand the overall requirements and evaluate how best to serve students who are actually, not by socio-demographic pp classification, disadvantaged

Screwfox · 15/09/2013 07:28

(This is what happened locally - they were slated by OFSTED)

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Screwfox · 15/09/2013 07:27

You night have to account for each kid. If you don't teach every pp kid your SLT are going to have a tough time explaining why they don't get their share of the pot.

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duckyfuzz · 15/09/2013 07:27

Olive so long as the school are tracking the kids you work with and showing how you are impacting on their progress then it s a perfectly good use of pp, as is reading intervention, music tuition, sports coaching, trip subsidies etc... It's the tracking of the impact that validates it.

olivevoir58 · 15/09/2013 07:24

Oh well, I might be out of a job next week as OFSTED are due back in any minute. I personally think it's a great use of PP - improving standards and therefore improving life chances, uniform and revision books are a bit 'quick fix' and uniforms should be funded by a different pot of money anyway!

burberryqueen · 15/09/2013 07:23

gosh really at my childrens primary trips and after school clubs were set up to exclude anyone who couldnt pay upfront.

Screwfox · 15/09/2013 07:20

We're just starting to add a line on trip letters to say pp kids would be exempt or something. Much hand wringing how to do it to not kick up a storm.

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burberryqueen · 15/09/2013 07:19

I have absolutely no idea what happens to PP money - certainly it is not published nor have my children ever received anything "extra" for being on FSM.

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