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Anyone give me some career advice for 15 year old DD? Thanks!

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CressidaMontgomery · 14/09/2013 10:28

She is doing her GCSEs and is in year 10. Predicted 12 A grades (providing she works hard of course!)

She is really knuckling down already and is starting to think about what she would like to study at university. She wanted to study Law but is now not so sure.

I've suggested pharmacy, chemical engineering ( probably not my greatest suggestion!) , joining the RAF as a graduate, an English degree .. Err that's it.

Her strong areas are English I suppose. She hates French and she says she is not interested or very good at the sciences ( although she's doing triple science ). Her maths is only so so.

Any suggestions? I know she doesn't need to decide now but she feels it would be useful to have something to aim for

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Middlesexmummy · 14/09/2013 21:25

Hi , I work for the careers service . As others , I'd suggest that she chooses subjects she enjoys , better chance of doing something well if she enjoys DVD subject . The other thing would be do
Keep her A level choices as broad as possible unless she is thinking of a science /engineering type career . In terms of choice of A level , the more traditional ones tend to go down better with Universities or a combination of new and old for example English and History go well and show a flair for research and analytical skills though critical evaluaton which are skills needed in Law . She could combine that with a new A level eg sociology . Good luck

cory · 14/09/2013 19:07

My dd is doing A-level drama and the BTEC in acting and it's the BTEC that's actually practical/vocational. In A-level drama she is doing things like studying Greek theatre and writing essays on How would you produce the Caucasian Chalk Circle?

Dd does hope to be an actress, but I reckon her A-level choices of English, Modern History and Drama should still get her into university if stage school falls through.

yegodsandlittlefishes · 14/09/2013 18:50

Drama could be good for all kinds of things, coupled with English. Writing of many kinds (plays, journalism, scripts, presentations, teaching material) and working in radio, public speaking, lecturing, teaching at many levels.

For law it helps to have a very good memory.

lljkk · 14/09/2013 17:57

DH went to school (total underachiever town) with a guy who wanted to become a professional dancer. He succeeded, became a choreographer for West End shows. And then immigrated to Australia with his dancer wife. You know, that country Australia that has famously tough entry requirements point systems only desirable skillsets only wanted and all? So they must have had something that Australia saw great value in to let them in. Performing arts may not be such a bad bet. More internationally transferable than being expert in English law, I'll bet!

CMOTDibbler · 14/09/2013 17:30

If she loves drama, maybe something like stage management? One of my nephews is just about to start his degree in that (on a course with a 100% employment rate) - he loves acting/dancing/singing, but isn't good enough to do it professionally and SM is something he's been doing for am dram groups for a while now

bigTillyMint · 14/09/2013 17:30

I too have a DD in Y10 who seems to be a good all-rounder. She doesn't know what she wants to do for A'levels, never mind university! We will encourage her to keep her options as open as possible with A'level choices. And not be put off by any teachers because she doesn't like them and the way they teach the subject.

Herisson · 14/09/2013 17:25

I did a degree in Drama at a respected (Russell Group) university and have had all kinds of jobs, both theatrical and not (currently work in IT). Drama is not so very different from studying English, though I would say to pick a university that is considered to be academic as this will give her more leeway. Drama and English or Drama and History would also be good options and broaden her studies a bit. Friends from my course are doing everything from acting or set design or stage management all the way through to working at the BBC as a producer, radio, psychiatric nursing, sales, PR, academic at v good university, law, journalism and teaching.

CressidaMontgomery · 14/09/2013 17:19

Ok I've had a re think about drama! She absolutely loves it but I genuinely believed that you had to be a talented actor to get the most out of it - she cannot act! It's an enjoyment thing for her. She's actually predicted A* in drama and I now understand that it isn't perhaps the 'filler' that I thought it was for her

I think A levels in English, history and maybe politics / geography with maybe drama too sounds like a perfect combination for her so will see what she thinks.

I've learnt a lot from this thread

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Dominodonkey · 14/09/2013 17:08

I have a joint honours degree in drama and English and have had or been offered jobs in politics, pr and teaching. I didn't act at all in my drama degree. I did a design unit but mostly studied plays and theatre history.

EvilTwins · 14/09/2013 17:02

Nothing wrong with drama Shock

My advice is for you to allow her to choose to study the subjects she is interested in and not to push her to consider a career. She is 15. She may change her mind about careers numerous times - I know I did!

If she is doing well in GCSEs then it leaves her options open. However, 6th form study is vastly different, and IME, students who have a natural interest in their subjects do better than those who don't. As for a degree, I would say avoid Law. The only friend from uni I have who studied law is now a pianist. Those who are lawyers did other degrees and then did the conversion course. Doing drama at university does not leave options closed. I did English & Theatre studies. I now teach, as do a few friends from the course. Others work in marketing, local government journalism & recruitment. Those who have made it in showbiz all had connections anyway (famous dads mostly)

Obviously you know your DD but please allow yourself to be guided by her interests and passions as much as you can.

HmmAnOxfordComma · 14/09/2013 13:43

I'd second English and History for A level with the possibility of Drama just to AS (for the all the skills that endows). Then you do need to find a third 'academic' one to do all the way to A2 if she wants a reasonably decent Uni. Economics or politics would be good, maybe RS? It's a shame she isn't fussed or good at languages because English, History and an MFL is an excellent combination for many degrees, including Law. Is she any good at or excited by Geography? That can also be a good combination with the other two or a good choice for a full degree.

There are some excellent careers sites and advice out there. You just need to know where to look. Does her school library have a careers section? There are excellent resources around.

If she comes as far as year 12 and still has no idea for a career I would recommend choosing a pure academic subject in which she has the best ability and/or interest: English, History and Geography all good.

As others have said, a good degree from a good Uni can get you into many careers - I have a friend with a first in Theology from an RG who went very successfully into recruitment in the City (doesn't seem at first to be relevant at all!). Or if she does know what she wants to do by then, a relevant degree can be a good idea, even if it sounds a bit naff/'studies' ish; ie. if she wants to work in the media (and has a specific job and route to getting that job in mind rather than a vague aspiration), a media degree is now well thought of; if she didn't it would be a daft idea and much less acceptable than English for normal 'graduate' entry jobs, iyswim.

breatheslowly · 14/09/2013 13:11

I'd avoid business studies at A level as it isn't favourably looked on by the type of university that her GCSE predictions suggest she might be aiming for. Economics is a good "academic" alternative.

I'd also not particularly encourage her towards a Business Studies degree. Most people in "business" don't have a degree in it. The graduates I work with either very specific degrees for their roles (e.g. engineering) or have any subject and then train on the job or through post grad qualifications.

Yotti is right - 2.1, university, subject in that order.

lljkk · 14/09/2013 12:43

I work at a Uni & careers dev. now offer courses on the performance part of lecturing. Even more helpful for many practising law.

CressidaMontgomery · 14/09/2013 12:41

I'd never thought of it like that before. These viewpoints are really helping me think about this in a different way

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lljkk · 14/09/2013 12:31

Many jobs (including academia, think of Uni lecturers!) have a performance element. Sales, management, communications, lots of transferable skills from drama go into those. What Rummikub said is good.

CressidaMontgomery · 14/09/2013 12:30

English and history at A level sound good! Economics another one I'd not considered. Loads of great advice ( as well as a good old fashioned semi flaming ) Grin

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CressidaMontgomery · 14/09/2013 12:29

Ah mortified I feel you misunderstand me!

Obviously I know my DD and I like to think I can steer her in the right direction. I have a distinct feeling that Drama is not that direction because well... It's just not. It's all very well to say to our kids ' oh I just want you to be happy ' and that's the case for me. But I also know that it's vital for the future ( in terms of career/ money/ options etc ) to have a decent education and a decent degree. Not to mess about thinking that maybe you could open a dance studio one day.

Of course I'm proud of her. She's really knuckling down to her work . But I want her to concentrate on academic subjects- not ones that aren't going to help her fulfil what she tells me she wants for her future.

No snobbery at all. Academia is the way to go if you don't have a flare for more arty things. And she most certainly doesn't

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Rummikub · 14/09/2013 12:17

Ok so your dd is actually quite focused. If she isn't interested in sciences there is no point in pushing it. It's difficult at A level and if it's not her thing then she could be turned off education.

She has already made choices. She has decided on university. She likes English and history. Good strong A level subjects. Drama is quite good for law as it gives a presence, voice projection, etc. she could just take it as a 4th AS level. Which leaves a 3rd A level subject to select. She is just in year 10 so let her sit with those choices she has made already. See if it feels right to her. And get her to carry out leisurely research, no pressure!

Mumzy · 14/09/2013 11:46

For Law at a Russell group university I'd advise 3 traditional Alevels: English, History , Economics. Law is incredibily competitive and loads of graduates. The big law firms now rarely consider graduates from non russell group unis

MortifiedAdams · 14/09/2013 11:40

Im astounded that you think she isnt good.enough to do Drama at A level yet she is targetted an A at it.

She is passionate about it, works hard and enjoys it. The fact that she 'isnt a good actress' appears not to be putting her off which is a fantastic skill to have.

It appears you have an underlying snobbery of non academic subjects. You could, instead, be proud of.your dd for working damn hard (enough to warrant an A) at something that she isnt naturally talented at.

CressidaMontgomery · 14/09/2013 11:37

Economics might be an idea actually...

I shall look at the Prospects website too

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CressidaMontgomery · 14/09/2013 11:36

Mortified - no, she's just not good enough at all. Obviously I don't say this to her, but she knows it. She chose drama as her one more relaxed GCSE after I insisted that the others had to be academic to give her the best choice of A levels.

Maybe Law is still the way to go? She was really interested in the RAF graduate scheme - although a fitness test would be more than a challenge for her

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Barbarashop · 14/09/2013 11:35

The prospects website is really good - you can look at different careers and related degrees or look at different degrees and related careers.

MortifiedAdams · 14/09/2013 11:35

Could you 'compromise' on English, Drama and Business Studies (or Economics)?

CressidaMontgomery · 14/09/2013 11:33

Well she has no real thoughts on her A levels so far, apart from saying she definitely doesn't want to do maths or a language! She enjoys English, history, is a huge reader of all of the typical YA type books. I'd say her passions in life were Daniel Radcliffe and trashy tv, so we won't be gleaning much academia from those sources!

I really think she should do something science based but she is adamant she doesn't want to. Which leaves English/ Drama type stuff. She is only predicted an A in drama because she's so passionate about it and tries hard. Loads of effort. She has no talent in this area, just enjoys it a lot

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