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Poor AS results

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bettina46 · 26/08/2013 10:00

I need your advice. My daughter got U at Maths and Biology AS, C at Sociology and A at French. I didn't know what to say. She had all AA at GCSE except for Bs at English Language and English Literature. English is our second language. We've lived in UK for 5 years and DD started her education here from Year 8 with a basic knowledge of English. She is very good at languages, she's learning Japanese at home and thinks about. studying it at SOAS. Last year she did excepionally well at sciences - A at Triple Sciences so taking Biology for A level was an easy choice. She also wanted to take Chemistry but it was in the same block as French so she had to take Sociology instead.
Her school wants her to continue French and choose other subjects. DD is depressed and doesn't know what to do now. I have always thought she's the academic type so I'm really suprised with her poor results.

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HisMum4now · 26/08/2013 19:35

thx :)

RegainingUnconsciousness · 26/08/2013 19:30

Yes, higher order skills, and addressing all of the difficulties you mention to differing extents in different children - we're early days really, but it is appearing to be a truly personalised approach to teaching (which is manageable when you've got 32 in a class).

Thanks for your input, it's really helpful.

If he's gcse level, there's a brilliant bloke on www.my-gcsescience.com making videos specifically for AQA sciences.

RegainingUnconsciousness · 26/08/2013 19:26

That's exactly why we're doing it! (And because it frees classroom time up for really cool practicals and projects!) Grin

HisMum4now · 26/08/2013 19:26

X posted. He is autistic, has ADHD, a sensory and a language disorder. So in class for a combination of reasons his learning might be hit and miss. He might misunderstand something. At home it is often unclear where the blank spots are and i have no visibility of what goes on in class. Doing it in reverse order would focus his attention on higher order skills. Basically it would allow him to absorb more. He is doing A/A in a grammar school in sciences, but through very hard work at home and to increase the 'productivity' for exam revision we have to change something and the flipped learning might be the thing - learn it right the first time* IYSWIM

HisMum4now · 26/08/2013 19:16

I 'd think it is probably the best way to develop independent learning. It is great that there are teachers like you Flowers

RegainingUnconsciousness · 26/08/2013 19:11

Oh, and really nice to hear its being recommended by an EP. What is it about your son that makes it particularly useful?

You might also want to look at www.knowmia.com then!

RegainingUnconsciousness · 26/08/2013 19:10

It's a big change, HisMum, and works best where there is support from management and freedom and headspace to experiment.

I love it though!

HisMum4now · 26/08/2013 19:08

The Ed Pshyc recommended what you call flipped learning to DS, but the school ignored it. I suppose I should try to establish it somehow at home regardless.

RegainingUnconsciousness · 26/08/2013 18:33

Bit worried I've outed myself there.

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RegainingUnconsciousness · 26/08/2013 18:27

In order to really understand and learn some of the concepts, I'd say students should recap their day's learning every evening. (I encourage my GCSE & younger lot to get into this habit) This can be by reading their text book, by looking at some of the videos & video lessons, or reading about the topic online (e.g. If you've learned a bit about NMR, and you understand it, download a couple of exam questions and have a go, or find out about the application of it).

As a basis, you could try asking your teens to explain what they've learned over dinner every night. This forces them to summarise and order their thoughts, and identifies areas of weakness. Perhaps make a note of any weak areas while you're at the table, then there's a basis for the extra reading. (And you'll all get to learn about science, yay!)

HisMum it's a bit of all of it I think. With the return to linear, though, things might be a little less fraught mid-term, and some teachers might have taken the opportunity to reorganise the course (most of us haven't had time & headspace yet).

But the independent learning habits are ones that are essential for degree study anyway. Best learned and perfected now.

HisMum4now · 26/08/2013 18:17

Thank you Regain, this is very informative.

In relation to maths it was said that the workload increases in difficulty (which you discussed) and quantity. Do students have to cover more stuff in unit of time in sciences, or is it about the same pace, just more abstract and more difficult?

They also say students have to read around much more. Is it to better understand and grasp those new concepts, or is it that part of the marks depends on reading stuff not covered in class?

What do they mean bu independent learning?

WorrySighWorrySigh · 26/08/2013 18:13

I think your comment about the teaching style is very true RegainingUnconsciousness. At AS, students have to learn study for themselves (this has been the hard lesson for DD). The contact time with teachers is just one of the resources students have to use.

RegainingUnconsciousness · 26/08/2013 17:52

Yes, you go from a very rough approximation of science, which is sufficient for the vast majority of people to explain the everyday phenomena they encounter. To theoretical and abstract science that enables degree level study.

For example, in GCSE chemistry we learn atomic structure, and even the history of its discovery, up to the Bohr model of a positive nucleus surrounded by electron 'shells' in the 2,8,8,8 pattern. This explains most of the reactivity most of us need to know.

At A level, you then discover that actually, there are sub shells: s, p and d shells, and the periodic table can be used to work out in which shells electrons are likely to exist (also, we've gone from the concrete "electrons are here" to he abstract "electrons can theoretically be anywhere, across the room from their nucleus even, but there is a greater likelihood of them being in one of the orbitals"), these electrons also behave in certain ways, you learn about "spin" and resonance.

I'm rambling. I need to get my head back into teaching mode tonight! Thanks!

It's just such a huge jump, most students find it hard. But we now have the Internet! And these sources like Khan Academy will effectively teach and re-teach bits whenever you like. Most importantly students should ask their teachers and keep on asking till they understand.

Another common problem is that the sciences at this level are more often taught in tertiary colleges, in a lecture format, by very clever teachers but who may not have taught younger students, and so use fewer different strategies to support learning. Whereas I'd make models and use discussion and questioning and group activities, a tertiary lecturer might simply... lecture.

hellsbells Khan Academy (Salman Khan is a legend) covers lots of physics too. I'll have a look for some physics sites when I pretend to do some work later and post any more links I find, although I don't know much about the physics A level.

HisMum4now · 26/08/2013 17:15

Oh, this is so perceptive. A very profound observation and a lot of self-insight. Congratulations for your DD. This is why MN is great !

WorrySighWorrySigh · 26/08/2013 17:08

I have just asked DD what the big steps up in Biology & Chemistry. These are her answers:

  • you stop learning about things you can see in a test tube, you have to start learning about things which are assumed rather than definite (eg electrons and how they behave)

  • you have to understand concepts which people have spent years researching and which may not be right!

HisMum4now · 26/08/2013 17:03

have always thought she's the academic type so I'm really suprised with her poor results.

Like OP, i am wondering why bright kids handle the transition so 'unreliably'. What happens? Why are A levels such a step up?

hellsbells99 · 26/08/2013 16:45

Unfortunately it is being made a lot more difficult be the removal of the January resits.

hellsbells99 · 26/08/2013 16:44

Sorry - should say 'not let her confidence be dented'

hellsbells99 · 26/08/2013 16:43

DD has been told by her teacher that she is capable of taking AS chemistry but should not her confidence be dented if she gets Us in any of her tests.....sounds like a huge step up!!!

HisMum4now · 26/08/2013 16:35

These resources are very helpful, thank you indeed.

Many people are saying that the sciences become much more difficult at A levels compared to GCSEs. Could anyone share any experience as to what is the difference?

hellsbells99 · 26/08/2013 16:32

Thanks for all these links! I have just emailed them to my DD. sorry to gatecrash the thread but do you know any for physics? DD doing AQA B - physics in context and there does not appear to me much revision material for it. All the advice being given on this thread is great. Good luck to your DD op. My DD has been warned by her chemistry teacher how big the jump is and is worried.

WorrySighWorrySigh · 26/08/2013 15:57

Wow, thank you!

DD is keen to up her Chemistry grades as she wants to study Biochemistry at university. She really loves the subject.

RegainingUnconsciousness · 26/08/2013 13:42

Glad I can be of use. She may also like:

www.chemguide.co.uk/
www.rsc.org/learn-chemistry/resources/mechanism-inspector/
phet.colorado.edu/en/simulations/category/chemistry

The first gives good explanations of things, good alongside text books and the videos.

WorrySighWorrySigh · 26/08/2013 13:25

Thank you RegainingUnconsciousness I have passed a link onto DD

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