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Bursary waiting list-any chance?

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ariane5 · 03/03/2013 17:30

Dd1 was offered a full fee paying place at a wonderful school which we loved but we had applied for a bursary.

She is on the bursary waiting list but we have not heard back from the school so I assume it means she has no chance of a place?[Sad]

Has anybody ever been on a bursary list and gone on to get one?

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scaevola · 04/03/2013 10:03

No school in UK is rich enough to give bursaries to every applicant on a low income. There are 30 or so which are publicly aiming for full 'needs blind' admissions, but none has managed it (though Manchester Grammar is coming close)

Yes, you have to prove to the school's satisfaction what your income is. But that's only half the process. They are also deciding which of the bursary candidates they most want to take and this are the ones to whom they make offers. This might be highest score on entrance exam, but is probable also combined with interview performance and other achievement/aptitude. You will drive yourself mad if you try to second guess the performance of other applicants.

ariane5 · 04/03/2013 09:55

That might explain it I think as I was struggling to see how with our financial situation we wouldn't have met the criteria.

I think it has more to do with other things and I do not know all the bursary criteria for the school concerned so I can't even begin to guess.

I am still really upset but have phoned the SS and they will be getting in touch about an appt to discuss dds problems.They were lovely on the phone.

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DeWe · 04/03/2013 09:31

The criteria for bursaries depends on the school.

I was at 2 different schools over secondary who had places on the "Assisted places" scheme.
The first took all the people who had passed and had said that they wanted to be considered for a bursary. Then it gave the offer to the children who needed it most. So most getting it would be 100% of fees, and often uniform and lunch too.

The second took the children who had passed and gave the bursaries to the top 20. Meaning often the bursaries were not as valuable generally.

My dm worked in a school that claimed about 30 bursaries available. However 20-25 were tied up with where you lived. I think at least 20 you had to live in the town it was officially in (despite it being nearer to another town). Some were even tied up with which road you lived in. So if you lived in certain roads you would get offered one as long as you passed. Confused

So that is different ways you may not have met the criteria.

tiredaftertwo · 04/03/2013 08:43

ariane5, good luck, and try not to beat yourself up. As others have said, you have to go for the long shots otherwise you never know. If it had worked out, you would have done the right thing - and it might have done. If they say she is on the bursary waiting list then you can't have been far off - if the (I suspect very few) people above her had not applied, or passed the exam.

I am no expert but I would now do two things I think: get some specialist advice on what sort of provision the allocated school can and should make, and contact them as soon as possible to get the ball rolling (maybe post on the SEN board for advice about any organisations that could help you); and talk to the bursar or registrar of the independent for your own peace of mind, and so that you know the situation if you decide to have another go - it is also worth asking f they have any advice (you never know).

Even on a small site, there can be a lot of walking around depending on how the timetabling is done, and how the routine of school life pans out for a particular individual (if they happen to choose clubs at opposite ends of the site for example!). And schools seem to vary massively in how they organise the timetable - some keep yr 7/8 in one classroom or small block of them, and teachers come to them.

As your dd's problems will be apparent (presumably to her classmates), I think I would also approach the school about this, ask how they manage it, what information the other kids will be given, how they deal with name-calling, the detail of the bullying policy, and so on.

You sound like a wonderful mother. Good luck to you all.

ariane5 · 04/03/2013 00:10

I saw the headteacher not the bursar, perhaps that was wrong? I did ask was it worth applying given that 1) we needed such a large bursary and 2) we could not afford tutoring (all dds friends were having extensive 11+ tutoring.
The headteacher was lovely about it all and said I should bring dd to open days etc. I don't think for a minute theu gave me false hope probably more a case of me being too hopeful.
I was surprised we didn't have a home visit from a bursar but assumed that some schools maybe didn't do this.

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middleclassonbursary · 03/03/2013 23:58

I suspect part of your problem was that it was a "small school" in my now nearly 10 years of experience of getting bursaries for my DC's "small schools" generally have small bursary pots.
I too don't know why they offer a place but no bursary knowing you need one fortuneately this has never happened to us we've failed to get bursaries from some schools but not been offeredw place and no bursary it does seem particularly cruel. I just want to add to anyone who might be readying this that large bursaries are not for those who come in the top 4-5% in the entrance exams especially those who select 11 for 13-+ entry. In these schools bursaries are generally offered before entrance exams are even sat because they are often sat in June.
There is a very simple approach to take when it comes to bursaries identify a school you like work out how large a bursary you are going to realistically need and approach the bursar especially if it's a large one to see whether or not they have or are able to consider bursaries of this size. Try and do this if posdible before going to far down the admissions process and if possible before showing your DC the school.

ariane5 · 03/03/2013 23:19

Dd does not manage stairs well either. I would worry though-would the other children know their class was different due to dd? I am very aware that being 'different' could lead to problems and dd is very sensitive about her problems and hates people to know.

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tiggytape · 03/03/2013 23:14

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ariane5 · 03/03/2013 23:06

I am not hopeful as in order to make things easier for dd at the SS it could possibly isolate her greatly. On a bad day when she is in pain/exhausted/fainting it will be a choice of staying at home and missing school or they would have to find somewhere for her to work where she could stay sitting down but then she would be isolated from her peers as they would be going from lesson to lesson.dd wants to be the same as her school friends she hates to appear different and at the ind school with it being so so tiny she would have had to do a minimal amount of walking around such a small site that her problems would not be as apparent.

I don't know what to do. I will def get in touch with the SS though and start trying to find solutions to the many many problems dd will encounter there.
It is a really good school, outstanding in every area and different circumstances I'd be thrilled but unfortunately it will be difficult.

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tiggytape · 03/03/2013 22:55

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ariane5 · 03/03/2013 22:43

The SS is a lovely school. Just not 'right' for dd1 due to her pproblems hence me (stupidly) putting all my efforts into the ind school.

I didn't even know till the other day about whether statements could be obtained for a child with just physical probs like dd I assumed they were only for those with learning difficulties.
I saw how she struggled and was unwell the afternoon after the tour of the SS.

I only applied for 1 ind school as although dd probably had a chance of a bursary elsewhere they too were larger schools so it would have been same issue as with the SS.

I just wish I had been more realistic I honestly thought she would get a place.

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splitbrain · 03/03/2013 22:34

The landscape is not so dire, there are more than three or four schools offering full fee assistance. But those bursaries will always go first to the children who have scored in the top 4 or 5% in the exam. And waiting lists for bursaries do exist because those top scorers get offered more than one and thus turn down others - we have turned down three and hopefully made some other family happy. However, one school has put us on the waiting list for the bursary, just like you, and offered a full paying fee which of course we can't afford to accept. The advice you got here is right, talk to the bursar. Find out your chances. But start being positive about the SS, it's the best you can do now for your DD.

ariane5 · 03/03/2013 22:30

I think I really expected a bursary offer or no offer as I had said so many times how I couldn't do it without a bursary.

To see the words "we are pleased to offer your daughter a place in year 7" followed by the next paragraph

"Unfortunately demand for bursaries was high but (dd) did sufficiently well to be placed on the bursary waiting list" just made my heart soar and then sink.

I so wanted her to go there it was such a wonderful lovely school and just perfect for her. I feel guilty for getting her hopes up, for showing her round a school she loved and now can't go to. I have let her down and now she will have a place at a school where she got ill on the tour day as it was just too much walking for her.

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ariane5 · 03/03/2013 22:03

I made it very clear I needed a large bursary so I was surprised with a full fee offer. I assumed they would either offer a bursary place or no place as I have stated all along we could not afford it otherwise.

Or does this actually happen a lot? Do people say they can't afford it then find the fees somehow? I just don't understand that if they knew we had no money from our form/paperwork that they offered a full price place? [Sad]

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middleclassonbursary · 03/03/2013 21:59

"Its just so difficult as she has done well enough for the school to offer a place but only a full fee place which we cannot afford."
I feel for you. But unfortunately passing the exams are not enough. You want a large bursary and they may simply not be enough money. Big names schools have more money (although even many of them aren't offering 100%) I only know of about three or four who are guaranteeing bursaries of this size.

ariane5 · 03/03/2013 21:03

Its just so difficult as she has done well enough for the school to offer a place but only a full fee place which we cannot afford.

They put in the letter she did well enough to be placed on the bursary waiting list but couldn't tell me her place on the list.

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middleclassonbursary · 03/03/2013 20:53

"with my daughter and I cant let her keep hoping that a place might become available if its a no hoper
Arrgghh meant to say be honest with him my daughter is desperately hoping she'll get a place and I cant let her keep hoping that a place might become available if its a no hoper!

middleclassonbursary · 03/03/2013 20:48

"I just can't see how we didn't meet the criteria."
"how poor we are coupled with how bright she is that we would get her a place especially given her other problems."
You may have met the criteria your daughter may have done very well in the exam she might even have doe better with a tutor but you want a 100% bursary and these are basically are few and far between, the bottom line is that few schools even the really wealthy ones like Eton are dishing many of those out. The size of bursaries offered hangs on how big the bursary pot is and how many apply for the money. Logic would tell you that most schools would rather offer 33% bursaries to three children than a 100% bursary to one. There is no point going over what you should have done you need to get on the phone to the bursar and have an up front and open conversation. I sure he has absolutely no doubt how much you need to send your DD but you need to simply say I need to be honest with my daughter and I cant let her keep hoping that a place might become available if its a no hoper, I need 100% and need to know if this is even remotely possible what are the chances of enough dropping out for this too happen before the deadline people?
Frankly I'm sorry to have to say this but I've been in the bursary game in a variety of independent schools for many years I think your chances are pretty slim.

ariane5 · 03/03/2013 18:32

Yes I have another dd but she is only 3 so its a long way off but she has same medical issues and other problems so would like her to attend for same reasons

I will phone tomorrow and ask to speak to the bursar.

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LIZS · 03/03/2013 18:25

I really don't think anything will change unless you speak to the school's Bursar direct. If you just wait I fear nothing will happen, the offer will lapse and you will be none the wiser. iirc you have a younger dd who you hoped might also got here so you need to know one way or another if a future application is worthwhile.

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ariane5 · 03/03/2013 18:21

I really did have all my hopes pinned on it I feel awful now for being so naïve. I really thought we had a chance.

It was just so perfect for dd1. I will accept her SS place but will be finding out about statement as she will encounter huge difficulties there and Iam concerned.

All I can do is make the best of the situation

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ariane5 · 03/03/2013 18:16

I told her how proud I was that she passed and with no tutoring.

I made sure she knew she had done really well but that the school just didn't have a bursary available for her. She keeps asking "is there a little hope I might still get a place?".she really loved the school and I feel guilty for getting her hopes up I just assumed with how poor we are coupled with how bright she is that we would get her a place especially given her other problems.

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LIZS · 03/03/2013 18:16

You need to ask the Bursar. There is also the possibility that even a full bursary might stretch you with ongoing extras. Sorry but I am doubtful this will become a reality and you seem to have invested an awful lot into this one option. What is your dh and dd's opinion ? Please follow advice on other thread re statement so you can get the best out of the ss , just in case.