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Worried about Private school

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CountingClouds · 02/02/2013 13:23

My DC has passed the entrance exams, and been offered a scholarship, for a very good private secondary. What worries me is that the head has expressed concerns that 'we' night not fit in to their environment.

DC is in year six and predicted a strong level six in Maths and Literacy. Wide ranging extra curricular interests with friends also planning to attend the school. Local state Primary has always said DC has strong personality but well behaved, polite and a wonderful pupil etc.

I can only guess at the subtext behind the heads comments, single parent, working class, don't socialist within the local wealthy cliques, can't afford skiing holidays, asking awkward questions at the information events, challenging the schools opinion, DC having extra needs etc etc.

So the place we are offered is conditional on us accepting their ideology of being seen and not heard, that we don't rock the boat and DC's personality being supplanted by the tried and tested Stepford children conditioning (I paraphrase the heads words).

I want the best education for my DC but is it worth sacrificing his amazing individual personality, and possibly extinguish what I think makes him heads and shoulders above his peers? The alternative is a strong state school, good social inclusion, will meet DC's extra needs, good academic record, well regarded locally but maybe not so established nationally so might not look as good on his CV as a private school.

Ten years ago I always dreamt of a private school and have remortgaged in-case DC didn't get a scholarship, but not the time has come to decide. Am I mad to pass up the chance of sending my DC to a private school because its full of stuck up snobs?

OP posts:
diabolo · 02/02/2013 21:59

Certainly not Cambridge for an all white British population. (Thank God).

I would think it's more like Mars, or perhaps Jupiter. Maybe the moon?

happygardening · 02/02/2013 21:52

Captain according to the office of national stats 16% of Bristols population belongs to a black or minority ethnic group Bath is much more white middle class.

dorapeppageorgenoddy · 02/02/2013 21:51

Picture sorry to hear your experience, as I said this thread isn't about getting the school or OP into trouble - just if its true strange to think of a school that is 100% white in a city -

Sorry about your experience sounds awful - and sorry for posting twice!

dorapeppageorgenoddy · 02/02/2013 21:48

Picture - it's not to name the school to get OP in trouble it's to understand what area has a school in a city with 100% white population - that's the bit that we want help with as it seems very outdated/strange -a school in one hand that links with primaries and offers scholarships to children from non prep school feeders but on the other hand is dismissive, closed and rude to its potential students - I'm intrigued to know where this is?

dorapeppageorgenoddy · 02/02/2013 21:48

Picture - it's not to name the school to get OP in trouble it's to understand what area has a school in a city with 100% white population - that's the bit that we want help with as it seems very outdated/strange -a school in hand that links with primaries and offers scholarships to children from non prep school feeders but on the other hand is dismissive, closed and rude to its potential students - I'm intrigued to know where this is?

Picturesinthefirelight · 02/02/2013 21:47

I'm still trying to find out who reported me - had to delete all my friends remotely associated with school as I didn't know who I could trust.

Picturesinthefirelight · 02/02/2013 21:46

Unfortunately I didn't want dd to be excluded half way through year 6 so complied.

difficultpickle · 02/02/2013 21:39

Pictures that's appalling. I hope you told him to fuck off mind his/her own business.

exexpat · 02/02/2013 21:34

There are no all-white private schools in Bristol.

Picturesinthefirelight · 02/02/2013 21:33

Op. after having been hauled in front if dd's prep school head regarding comments I made in a private Facebook account please don't give in and name the area or school.

CaptainNancy · 02/02/2013 21:20

Ah.. umc not uc, sorry. Yup, am going for Bristol now- the academy comment suggests it... were any of this real

CaptainNancy · 02/02/2013 21:14

Well- there aren't any large cities that have exclusively white upper-class areas of population are there? Unless we're talking about Sweden, or Finland perhaps Hmm

I dunno, in the UK- Edinburgh? doubtful. Exeter? Not really a large city. York? ditto. Bristol? possibly, though I doubt enough uc offspring tbh.
Leaves Cambridge or Oxford at a push...

Ah... it's a Steiner school! Grin

Incognitow · 02/02/2013 20:59

You can't have a geographic location, dora, because the op is talking shit rather cagey. Grin

dorapeppageorgenoddy · 02/02/2013 20:21

It's not about population demographic, a scholarship is offered cause of the current performance or projected potential in the child -

The video and head saying welcome to mr and mrs 3rd generation 3x does nt represent true demographic of a school but does how that school is enjoying that side of the history/family feel can feel pompous or can feel traditional or can mean they are doing a good job...

This school in the light you are painting it does n't sound nice, I'm not sure when the cloak was lifted for you ?

Of course school choice matters, but in reality grades matter, overall school performance matters, the extras matter - representing school at sport, positions of responsibility, music, art all in conjunction with grades - This is not solely down to the school, parent support right balance of pressure and support to academics from both home and school matter -

Anyway an update of your choice would be interesting as would a hint of location as still don't believe 100%white and no SEN?

Can we have geographic location SE? NE? Leeds? Liverpool? Norwich?

difficultpickle · 02/02/2013 20:08

I wouldn't send my ds to a school with a head who expressed an opinion like that. 25% reduction in fees isn't that much. I'd look at alternatives, especially if you don't like the product the school produces. Why waste your money? I always look at the pupils in schools I have visited and think 'would I want ds to be like them?'.

exexpat · 02/02/2013 19:42

Yucky, but also not true, except perhaps for a handful of the 'top' private schools (Eton, Westminster etc). I went to private secondary & 6th form and can honestly say that my 'contacts' from school have not been in the slightest bit useful to me in later life, and although I lost touch with just about everyone from school, the ones I have reconnected with via Facebook etc or heard of via other people are certainly not in super-high-flying, 'door-opening' jobs.

JugglingFromHereToThere · 02/02/2013 19:38

I was just saying that most of us care about which secondary school (and primary, and nursery) they go to. And it's lovely to see my DD making friendships as she becomes a teenager - she's just gone to a party tonight.
As it happens it's not a private school, but it is a good one that I'm very happy with.

So the "good friendships" from me weren't part of any "opening doors" thing.

seeker · 02/02/2013 19:31

Is it just me finds this "good friendships" and "opening doors" stuff rather yucky?

JugglingFromHereToThere · 02/02/2013 19:23

No CC - "maintaining excellence in the area" means say you get a music scholarship you need to continue going up the grades with your instrument(s) and participating in the school orchestra etc.

And no I don't think you're being snobby looking ahead for your son ten years ... secondary school is very important .... it generally has an effect on important exam results and is a place many people make some good friendships.

TheFallenNinja · 02/02/2013 19:21

This is nonsense. Did you decide it was full of snobs after you dreamt of sending your child to one.

Whether we like it or not, people from private schools largely go into occupations and positions such as bankers, politicians and lawyers that we then resent as its seen as a position of privilege, what did you expect?

seeker · 02/02/2013 19:19

"I suppose I am being 'snobbish' worrying what school would look best on a CV in ten years time, or the doors such a school would open..."

I wouldn't worry- he's obviously going to breeze into Oxbridge - so all necessary doors will be opened to him.

Muminwestlondon · 02/02/2013 19:19

Counting Clouds - the thread has moved on a bit but yes they do sleepovers in Hamleys - assume they still do - this was I think 3 years ago although she still has the rich friend. They were pranching around in the windows while the store was closed during the night much to the amusement of passers by. She came back with hundreds of pounds worth of stuff, carrier bags full.

CountingClouds · 02/02/2013 19:13

dorapeppageorgenoddy - at a stretch it could be like "maintaining excellence in the area", if you interpret that as to be excellence in the area of that population demographic. Which might be a valid clause but what I would say is social discrimination.

I had a few further thoughts, could they be offering the place because they are legally obliged to under some rule related to his test results, but really don't want me to accept it. Or do they want to be able to say they have offered so many scholarships to less wealthy families but again don't want us to accept?

I know the school was filled with 2nd/3rd gen families because the head always started presentations with, "I am so pleased to see so many parents here that attended the school and are now sending their children here..." In the video presentations it had (grand)parents who had been at the school talking about how great the school was and how happy they were to see their (grand)children going. The videos themselves were very like stereotypical political broadcasts. And I talked to many of the parents there and they told me, they were nice enough and I have no complaints, just not on my level so I probably wouldn't mix well with them even if I wanted to.

The school used to be single sex but was going under financially so converted to mixed sex in recent years.

Our state school options used to be awful which is why I had saved up for private but in past 2/3 years (and possibly decided to early), since converting to academy one local school has become good enough that I know me and DC would be happy there. I suppose I am being 'snobbish' worrying what school would look best on a CV in ten years time, or the doors such a school would open...

OP posts:
exexpat · 02/02/2013 19:00

I do not believe that any independent school in the UK is 100% white, or even close to it. I live in a big city, my DCs go to two of the independent schools here and I have visited every one of the six others, and I would say even the very whitest one has at least 5-10% ethnic minorities, and the poshest one would be more like 30%. The OP's story is sounding more and more unlikely to me - it sounds more like someone's prejudiced idea of what private schools are like.

dorapeppageorgenoddy · 02/02/2013 18:24

OP missed your update - after reading your last post I think you probably have already agreed to decline - it is about value for money and it is about you being happy with the schools ethos and values if you are already made to feel challenged by them then it is probably the wrong school -

How do you know it is still made up of 2nd/3rd generation families? It sounds an outdated stat?

Have you look the school up on the good schools guide? As it will give you current stats on ethnicity/gender split/uni destinations etc

I can't imagine what town is feeding 100% white small senior school that is surviving-

Still would love to know - anyway thanks for the update it sounds more balanced - hope second choice schools suit your son more? What are your state school options like? If he is bright I am sure he will do well?

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