Silly things teachers think will work

Yes I did. You're misquoting me. As I proved in my previous post.

Oh and

"It stands to reason that someone who is trained and experienced in a job, be that teaching, floristry or dentistry, knows more about it than someone who isn't. I don't really see how anyone can disagree with that."

I never have. But then, that's not what you said.

Actually, here's what I said:

"The thread title - "silly things teachers think will work" was foolish, IMO. The OP is not a teacher, and therefore has no idea whether such things are "silly" or whether they "will work". She clearly wanted other people to pile in with other examples of "silly" things, which is both patronising and openly inviting negativity."

So not that the OP "has no idea" but that she specifically has no idea whether such things work. Which she doesn't. Given that she hasn't researched them - why would she? Not her job.

Careless editing isn't clever, Brycie.

Except I did twice say "you really don't like being caught out do you".

I'll happily withdraw that and say actually i think you're incredibly measured and never contradict yourself at all.

How have I become personal and offensive? Please copy and paste.

You said "not a teacher therefore doesn't have any idea"

a person has no idea because of not being a teacher

how on EARTH is this open to any other interpretation?

I've said it's great that you want to withdraw that and acknowledge that parents do have something worthwhile to say.

Please go ahead and report me. I honestly don't mind. I know I haven't been personal - I've only talked about your posts.

Aris: yes EvilTwins said "OP is not a teacher therefore doesn't have any idea" and "why would she have know anything, she isn't a teacher".

Do you see? So being as how this thread is so fresh, and your interpretation is rather fuzzy and not quite accurate, we can probably assume the same about your interpretion of the other one as well.

But obviously I'm a parent so it's de rigeur to disagree. And agree with the teachers.

Brycie - YOU (that's YOU, not "all parents", YOU - an individual) have become personal and offensive. You continue to misrepresent me. I never said that I think that "parents" (as a group) don't have worthwhile things to say. You extrapolated that. My point was, and always has been, that the OP was out of order saying that the technique being used by a teacher was "silly" and that it "wouldn't work". She had no basis for her assertion.

It stands to reason that someone who is trained and experienced in a job, be that teaching, floristry or dentistry, knows more about it than someone who isn't. I don't really see how anyone can disagree with that.

do you know, i don't think i would ever look at someone's job, and after a cursory glance, assume i knew as much if not more as they did about what they do, and how they do it

I accept though, that most people reckon any idiot could do my job, fair enough.

i am a parent too, and i very much want the best outcomes for my children too, but although no one knows my children better than their parents, i am not an expert in teaching her how to read, or motivating her in a classroom of 29 other children etc etc.

Raven AK I've just seen your ref to the other thread. And that really IS misrepresentation! Perhaps we should link?

I remember the other thread, I was on it! I don't remember it in quite the same way as Brycie does. I do remember Brycie overstating what teachers were saying on the thread. We were saying that in all cases of disruption students should not be removed, which Brycie took as teachers never removing students.

A little like on this thread, according to Brycie teachers think that parents have nothing to conribute to their children's education. I do not think we have said that.

Or that what I do is informed by my training, experience and expertise, which is not necessarily shared by parents.

A bit like other jobs really.

Fallen - I'm very confused by that!

Evil - you really don't like being caught out do you ? Well look, so long as you acknowledge that parents have worthwhile things to say about teaching and education - that's great! Result.

why would it be offensive to suggest that someone who isn't a teacher might not understand techniques used by teachers?

Because you are implying that teaching is some arcane secret that is only imparted to the chosen few.

It's not a case of me knowing better - it's a case of being able to read, decode and comprehend.

Well you guys are just proving my point all over again.

not a teacher, therefore has no idea
why would she know? it's not her job (ie not a teacher)

seriously you are tying yourselves in knots again - just to disagree with me that these statements do not imply that parents don't know anything about teaching because they aren't teachers

Thanks noble "they" think that you are right, and that Brycie is wrong.

Actually, I was referring to this thread, and EvilTwin's responses to the OP that you keep quoting, and not the thread that you are now referring to, that I don't think I can have been on...

Which is probably why bringing up another thread is bad form. Confusing, anyway.

Evil didn't say "doesn't have a clue" - she said "doesn't have any idea".

Brycie there is no indication that that was ever their opinion.

You just read it into what they said. That's not the same thing. And they corrected you but you then tried to claim that that was them changing their mind. Which apparently you know better than them.

They have now Noble. Which is lovely. I think the sweeping generalisations earlier were very damaging, and let's face it, you'd hardly read "I always listen to parents opinions" in the statement "not a teacher therefore doesn't have a clue". Would you? I mean, I know you want to disagree with me, being a parent and all and you being a teacher, but you can't really, on this. You've done well with your last post though, that's quite a good effort at disagreement for the sake of it.

But it's the same circular argument we had on the previous thread. (Sorry ET, I know it's bad form).

Brycie: Why don't teachers remove naughty children from lessons?

About 6 teachers: Actually we do .

Brycie: oooh, look, you all agree with me really! Why are you clutching your pearls? Is the sky falling?

Brycie even the teacher on this thread that you think thinks parents aren't worth listening to doesn't think that parents aren't worth listening to. And has said so.

Fallen - there was actually mainly agreement on the techniques - but there was hostility to a parent expressing it. That's what I'm saying.

I wouldn't like it if someone said you need to do xxx in my job and they were right. I would feel chastened and irritated, but it wouldn't mean they were wrong and didn't have a clue.

Again, and I know you're arguing with EvilTwins here, but why would it be offensive to suggest that someone who isn't a teacher might not understand techniques used by teachers? I don't get it.

That's great raven, there's no way I'd suggest all teachers think parents aren't worth listening to, just some. And also it's nice that a teacher acknowledges that parents are worth listening to.

Actually as an aside, my teacher friend says she's the parent her children's teachers "hate" most - because she's a teacher. Hate is hyperbole, obviously.