Silly things teachers think will work

Well, if I'm not accurate, Brycie, feel free to point out where, & I'll gladly apologise, because I do think (& teach) that it's important to represent a different point of view clearly & accurately, to the best of your ability, in order to refute it honestly.

If you don't, it completely undermines any point you may have originally had.

Raven: I have to say the way which you've tried to imply I'm lying or misleading is pretty low. That's really how low you'd stoop rather than saying "yes, Evil's posts do give that impression".

Not so accurate yourself love.

So there we are raven - you'll have see the posts where I copied and pasted evil completely. So stop trying to imply I'm misleading or lying in some way, if you don't mind.

Do you know I think there are teachers who literally would jump off a cliff to follow a colleague - if a parent was standing by and called out to them not to do it.

Anyway - it doesn't matter - you agree with the teachers. One used to say to me - if they jumped off a cliff would you follow? I feel like repeating it here.

Brycie, I've seen all the posts on this thread. I haven't missed any of them, & I haven't missed your paraphrases & inaccuracies.

I came to it fresh from marking 30 year 11 books & writing 'Quote ACCURATELY!' on most of them; it's important when building a credible argument.

RavenAK: for most of this evening - you haven't read my posts. I think that's helped to build up your own straw man quite nicely. Cripes - we wouldn't want what happened to get in the way of something imaginary you imagine to have happened would we?

Look, it's become plain that whatever teachers say - something different is meant. So there's not much point in carrying on.

Brycie, at 01:04, you are now comparing with .

You're a fortnight late - or you could've dressed that straw man up nicely & given him a great fiery send off...

Sadly, raven, you haven't. Do you remember when I quoted my own post (I need a life) copying and pasting Evil word for word? And do you remember how I said I'd done that more than once? And do you remember saying that as I was having a conversation with the same people about the same thing there was no reason to believe they might have the memories of goldfish and forget what had been posted a short time before? It wasn't that long ago. So do stop with the misquoting accusation. And now you've read the actual quotes (which you missed when you didn't read the post before) you can agree with me - any time you like - that they seem to say parents have no idea about what goes on in the classroom because they aren't teachers.

Parents might know something about, say, their own child. That's some pretty useful input right there. That's mainly what I consult parents on. I don't usually phone them up and ask them how I should manage set Z, or approach quadratic equations.

The school consults parents on other stuff, but that's above my pay scale.

But I have read them.

The lamppost might be equally impervious, but would probably have sturdier foundations.

You think saying "Parents have no useful input (or "any idea") in terms of behaviour management or teaching methods, the two biggest and most important parts of my job"

is not close to saying "parents know nothing and shouldn't be listened to"

errrrrr

Really? so parents might know about, say - staffroom layout, or the summer fete, or Nativity costumes, and could listened to or have useful input about those?

"it looked like a careless or deliberate misquote, & was significantly different to what the quoted poster had actually argued, in responding specifically to the two techniques described in the OP."

RAven - it is NOT my fault if you haven't read my posts. Argue with a lampost if you're going to do that.

Brycie, even if ET does think that parents can't have useful input on behaviour management techniques or teaching methods (which she probably doesn't, in terms of their individual child at least, although I wouldn't want to speak for her) this is still not the same as saying that parents know nothing and shouldn't be listened to at all. It's still not even close.

Not you, most of the teachers. "It doesn't seem to have done much good."
You seem very nice and normal by the way. The fact that you stressed on about "intended" is interesting. I still think it's irrelevant. But I think it's interesting because it shows how differently teachers see things - you saw an intention in the statement which is - let's face it - directly contradictory to the words in the statement. Perhaps all the teachers see it. In which case it's very important to realise that you can't go round implying "what do they know, they're not teachers" and expect consequently to glory in parents' trust, because some teachers don't seem to realise that without being told.

'at any time any teacher on this thread could have said yes - that looks like what you say it looks like'

But it didn't - it looked like a careless or deliberate misquote, & was significantly different to what the quoted poster had actually argued, in responding specifically to the two techniques described in the OP.

I think you do understand this perfectly well & your subsequent posts are deliberately obfuscatory, tbh.

But you everyone is just playing twister trying to avoid agreeing with the parent.

Everyone?

You are the only one to do so.

It doesn't seem to have done much good.

And any teacher at any time could let it drop. But you know - it's always the parent's fault.

The dancing on a pinhead is what the teachers here are doing, and have been doing, all night, in order to avoid saying - yes, it does look like ET is saying that. ET did you really mean that?

But you everyone is just playing twister trying to avoid agreeing with the parent.

Yes, the intended is irrelevant because at any time any teacher on this thread could have said yes - that looks like what you say it looks like. You are the only one to do so.

So ET was referring specifically to that behaviour management technique and that specific teaching method, while at the same time believing the parent could have useful input on all other behaviour management techniques and all other teaching methods?

Why would someone think that a parent knew nothing about one particular behaviour management technique but could still know a lot about all other behaviour management techniques? And the same for teaching methods?

...& I'm a parent, & have disagreed with my dc's teachers on more than one occasion, about specifics where I might be expected to know my own child better than they do.

This is different from pronouncing generally on their practice at primary level - I might well think something is an odd or unusual idea, but I wouldn't presume to dismiss it as worthless unless I'd asked them about the rationale behind it.

This is the point - it's absolutely fine to question your child's teachers - bring it on, I'd love there to be more of it tbh - just don't expect us to be particularly impressed when someone rubbishes what is going on in a classroom without first asking why.

I am too tired for this, and DH has just reminded me that I am fertile and therefore we need to have sex. He may not be a teacher but I am willing to listen to him, so I bid you all goodnight.

This is dancing on a pinhead brycie, something you seem to enjoy doing. ET has clarified what she has meant , and I am not sure why you can't just let it drop.

One could be forgiven for thinking that your sole purpose on here is to wind people up.

Huh, faillink too. Bad times.
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