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Can someone explain the state school catchment system to me?

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scubacat2292 · 22/10/2012 22:38

We are relocating to London from the United States in the next two months and I am really concerned about finding good schools for my boys. Independent schools are out of the question due to the high costs, so I need to find good state schools for them. While I've been researching, I'm getting more and more confused about how the system works. People have said to be sure to live in the catchment area of a good school, but then say some are oversubscribed. Does that mean even if you live in the area, you won't get in? And if we move now in December, will we be able to get in for January? I've seen people talk about entrance exams and deadlines, about there being no secondary schools for certain areas, etc. How can that be? In the US, if you live within the boundaries of a school, you go to that school. It doesn't matter if it is "full" -it must take your child. I'm guessing London doesn't work that way? Can someone please help me out here. :)

My boys are 13, 10, and 7, so we need both primary and secondary. We are looking in the surrounding areas of London - anywhere within 30 to 40 minutes to the Waterloo station would be fine.

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CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz · 26/10/2012 08:10

Some admission deadlines are just a few days away! Essex is October 31st.

twoterrors · 26/10/2012 08:00

Calming makes some great suggestions - those three areas are lovely for families, plenty live there, easy commute, loads going on, you can be in town in 30 minutes. Nowhere is completely safe, but I don't think the stations the train goes through is the main factor. Look for houses very close to the stations or on main bus routes from them (Streatham Hill for example is very well served by buses north and south), so your children can be independent, and close to those schools. I would get a big street map - Myatt's Fields is not in Herne Hill (a bus ride away) - and then ask about specific streets or pockets of streets.

The other advantage of moving to Herne Hill, say, is that if places don't come up at the Charter soon, your kids will be an easy commute from the other schools mentioned, and more, because the area is so densely populated and has such good transport links.

scubacat2292 · 26/10/2012 01:01

Okay, Calming - Here's exactly my question. I'm looking at properties in Herne Hill, and it's showing me everything from West Dulwich to Myatts Field South. Is it good all through there, or should I be worried that things get dodgy in some places? My girlfriend who is from London told me that living to the south in London is tricky, because some of the trains pass through areas that are worrisome at night if my hubby comes home late. What do you think?

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scubacat2292 · 26/10/2012 00:51

Kandy - I had heard that with the high speeds he could make it into London in about 45 minutes. I realize there is walking and transferring time, but we would figure that out. I hope!!

Calming - Our biggest concern about moving closer in is finding good schools and safe places for the kids. I DEFINITELY want him home more than on a train. We're really spoiled - he just drives 15 minutes to work here in the states. He's willing to sacrifice quite a bit, but we're hoping to keep it around 30 to 45 if we possibly can. We have about 1500/pcm to spend for a 3 bedroom place. If we don't have to pay enormous train rates, then we could bump that up to about 1650 maybe. Thank you for the suggestions!!!! I will look at all of those places.

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CalmingMiranda · 25/10/2012 20:26

Do you know how much you can afford to spend each month in rent?

There are so many nice enough areas of London that do not require an hour and a half each way commute. All thse long commutes will also cost a lot in train fares, and your DH will miss out on being at home.

Clapham - easy tube journey to Tottenham Ct Rd a short stroll from Holborn, some good primaries and a perfectly OK secondary (Lambeth Academy), Clapham Common, nice shopping area.
Herne Hill - great parks, v friendly area, Thameslink line to City Thameslink and an easy walk to Holborn. Move v close to Charter school on the H Hill side, or else closer to Elmgreen School.
Streatham Hill - move very close to Dunraven School, easy overground on the Thameslink line from Tulse Hill station, to City Thameslink, walkable to Holborn.

Personally if i were moving to london I would prefer my DH at hime rather than sitting on a train for hours. And also to live closer to London so that you can experience it!

KandyBarr · 25/10/2012 20:04

Yeah, but OP, this is London - it's unrealistic to think your DH won't be spending hours commuting. Friends who commute to the square mile from Guildford allow an hour and a half each way; from a zone three suburb to Holborn and back is likely to be more than an hour door-to-door. I'm not sure how long a commute from St Albans to Holborn would be, but I would imagine an hour and a half each way.

mummytime · 25/10/2012 19:14

I would go for St Albans if I was going that side of London. Forget about catchments and schools, you will be making an application as an in year transfer. Try to get near to schools you like.
When you get there come back and ask advice about Appeals if you don't get a place at schools you want.

LIZS · 25/10/2012 17:47

Surrey deadline for secondary applications for secondary is imminent. Most round here don't have catchments, some have feeder primaries, others allocate some places on religion then distance, or just distance.

scubacat2292 · 25/10/2012 17:43

Here's another questions - Since the distances are quite small there, is it super important that I find a flat that is exactly in St. Albans, or is it okay to find something anywhere in the area? How much do schools and safety and such change in small distances?

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Kewcumber · 25/10/2012 17:42

I only know ST albans and windsor both nice places but not the cheapest.

scubacat2292 · 25/10/2012 17:40

Kewcumber - YES, I promise I will look there! LOL... I actually just read an article my friend sent me that said this about St. Albans:

More expensive than Greater London, this green, clean and pretty town lies a few miles outside the M25 and continues to attract young, wealthy families. You need some serious cash to move here.

Not sure if that is us, but I will check out the rental market. Sounds like a good place for the kids. :) Any OTHER places like St. Albans to check out?

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Kewcumber · 25/10/2012 17:04

St Albans (again!)

scubacat2292 · 25/10/2012 16:53

50 minutes is farther away that we want to live. Of course, good schools is great, but if my DH is on the train two hours a day, that's two hours that he isn't at home with us. I would really rather split the distance. Any good ideas for towns a bit closer?

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KandyBarr · 25/10/2012 11:25

OP if I were you, I'd consider renting somewhere near the station in Cambridge - about 50 minutes from King's Cross and consistently good primary and secondary schools. Lots of good quality Victorian housing near the station, too.

scubacat2292 · 24/10/2012 21:09

This is why I'm not convinced I can even get my kids into a school I choose. We'll be arriving after all the regular enrollment dates, I haven't a clue where we're actually going to be living yet, now how to go about finding the right school. And even if I did pick one I thought was good, I realize my chances of getting into it are ridiculously low since I haven't a clue as to what I'm doing. :)

I think that's why I would rather get some town recommendations where we can shop for a flat and not worry too much about a specific school, but know that all of them around there are decent and my kids will be okay.

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Blu · 24/10/2012 18:00

I would not rely on the Good Schools Guide catchments for one moment. They are wildly out of date, unrealistic and better and more accurate info can be found (for free) on the LEA website in the admissions booklet, published online.

I feel for anyone who bought or rented close to my DS's primary on the basis of the GSC info.

teaandthorazine · 24/10/2012 17:29

Ohhhhh, Holborn, of course! In that case yes, north London is probably a smarter choice for you. Good luck.

prettybird · 24/10/2012 16:37

I'm sooooo glad I live in Scotland: we do have defined catchments up here, so you can know with certainty which school you are going to go to. :) In most areas, you even have a choice between non-denominational and Catholic.

The difficulty can be in finding a map which shows you the catchment boundaries - you can put in a post code and it'll tell you which primary/secondary school it is served by, but if you are trying to work out where to buy/rent because there is certain schools you are interested in, then it's more difficult Hmm

You can still do placing requests if you want to: ds has just gone to a different secondary (5-10 minute further walk away) to the one that his primary school feeds to.

mummytime · 24/10/2012 16:28

If its Holborn it is also quite easily accessible from Liverpool street and the East.

scubacat2292 · 24/10/2012 16:16

Sorry, yes. Holborn is what I meant and after reviewing the train map extensively, I agree that Kings Cross is my ideal station for my husband. I've heard good things about going north, so would love suggestions in that direction.

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Kewcumber · 24/10/2012 15:58

Holborn is much more accessible to Kings cross/Euston Station (only a couple of stops on the tube vs several stop and a walk from tottenham court raod from Waterloo) so I'd be inclined to go north.

St Albans is nice but no idea what the schools are like but 36 min commute into Kings cross and only a couple of stops to Holborn.

AndrewD · 24/10/2012 15:52

Some, but not many, state schools are on the good school guide website. They have "catchment maps" that show where students have come from. It might help you get an idea.

Blu · 24/10/2012 15:21

Holborn.

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