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Peter Symonds, Winchester- your opinions?

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LittenTree · 19/10/2012 13:50

DS1 is in Y9 so whilst we are a way off yet, he is about to choose his GCSEs. He is erring towards science but has already 'decided' he wants to go to PS rather than Barton Peverell 6th form...

Obviously it is early days, and lord knows, there is time for at least 3 major educational shake ups before then at the rate we're currently experiencing them, isn't there? Grin

My question is, is PS a good place for identifying a DCs best choices for suitable uni/FE?

I read all the time on MN how 'good' Prep school Heads direct their DC to the 'right' public school for them; well, does a top-performing 6th form like PS do the same for uni/FE?

I am not for a second suggesting Barton Peverell doesn't help their DCs make the right choices of future direction, only that DS is probably destined for Science at a good uni, and a school like PS surely should have that correct 'insider knowledge' to guide him, shouldn't it? I am asking in the same vein as the 'problem' of poorly performing comps in deprived areas not even assuming a DC of thiers might aspire to Oxbridge, etc, as it is 'beyond their ken'.

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guineapiglet · 26/10/2012 10:56

Hi _ I know Hills Road as my stepdaughter went there and did very well - it is extremely well thought of, and very well organised, with excellent results, really on a par with PS. My husband is an academic at an RG university and was totally impressed with both colleges, their standards and presentations - he said that HR/PS Open Evenings were better organised than most he had seen at some Universities, they ask alot, and expect students to respond accordingly and for many this means upping their game. Low attendance is not an option really unless for some very good reason. I guess it is all down to the individual child, their aspirations, characters etc in terms of what suits them. There is no doubt, they have to grow up quickly and 'act' more like adults and this would not suit some, each child is different and will flourish in an environment which suits them as an individual.

Lemonsole · 25/10/2012 22:46

Attendance is monitored closely, and parents called in for meetings if it falls away. All absences are chased up and have to be accounted for. No holidays in term time are ever authorised, and only a set number of open days.

Most students adapt well to their new freedoms (free periods) but ex-boarders are most likely to struggle with the autonomy that they now have to plan their day. Or not.

UCAS see all schools that a candidate has attended from 11, so 3-16 at St Cakes won't suddenly disappear and make them look like totally state-educated kids. They'll look like what they are - which is kind of what you'd want a good system to do.

TalkinPeace2 · 25/10/2012 17:03

a friend of mine who is a teacher there confirms that bunking lessons there is DEEPLY frowned on - as the teachers are monitored for the performance of their whole group - so THEY get penalised for truants.

Those moving from little private schools - most cope. PSC has a vested interest in keeping them on board.
Mostly they are shocked to meet so many bright athletic kids from the free schools!

NB
Do not think of University Tuition fees in the same way as school fees.
They are NOT means tested
the loan is actually a graduate tax - only payable once the graduate starts earning enough - there is NO money up front.

ISingSoprano · 25/10/2012 14:27

Yeah - I guess I can sympathise with that fear, but I reckon I would rather test the water at a 'free' sixth form than at a £9k per annum university... Grin

LittenTree · 25/10/2012 14:11

I think it's very like PS, actually. I think the DH is scared of the consequences of suddenly giving a boy who's had his entire education micro-managed to date the freedom to not do what he's supposed to.

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ISingSoprano · 25/10/2012 14:07

LittenTree if the sixth form college is anything like PS the students may in theory have the freedom to choose whether they attend classes. However, the reality is that if their attendance isn't up to scratch they will not last long! PS certainly bang on about how attendance affects final grades!

LittenTree · 25/10/2012 13:48

Yes, my school was 11-18 (girls GS) and frankly, the 6th form, for me was a mistake I so should have left and gone to the local Tech to do my A levels. The (few) girls who did grew up so much when compared to us who still had to wear s lightly less strict form of uniform! My school's 6th form was 'more of the same' and aimed only at girls who were heading for blue-stocking uni (you must be aware that I am talking back in 1978 here when a tiny percentage of DC went to uni). 9 academic 'O' levels just didn't cut it! You needed 12 to be taken seriously. Including Russian!

So now my only 'fear' is whether DS will grab the bull by the horns and reinvent himself if he wants to at sixth form college, come the day, not just fail to take on the challenge. If he succeeds, he'll be a lot better prepared for uni, if that's what he wants to do.

As an aside, a friend in Cambridge is in a horn-lock with her DH because their DSs are are a 'good private day school', eldest in Y10. She wants them to go onto Hills Road for 6th form (a highly regarded, PS-like place) a) because it's free, and b) because she wonders if she can shed the 'privately educated' label prior to uni application. DH wants them to stay on at that private as he sees A levels there as 'hitting paydirt' after already 8 years of £12k fees, and he worries whether his so far educationally cosseted DSs might 'blow it' by suddenly having the freedom of whether to go to lectures or not etc.

Both have a point!

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guineapiglet · 24/10/2012 19:39

I have to say I was rather sceptical about 6th form colleges, as we moved from an 11- 18 education system where the 6th form was integral. They do have to grow up pretty quickly at college, take responsibility, are treated like adults from day 1, it is an excellent transition from school to university, already preparing them for life beyond high school, showing them their value and worth - PS is v academic and does have an excellent reputation for those kids who want to go on to University, but it seems more than that, it gives the kids a chance to be themselves to get away from the 'sausage machine' of High School if that makes sense. - Also, for those whose experience of HS wasnt great, it is a second chance for them to get going, as you say, 'reinventing' themselves to who they want to be. So far so good ! :)

ISingSoprano · 24/10/2012 17:36

That's really good to hear guineapiglet, it sounds like your dd has really found her feet. Although my ds went to PS from a feeder school he has completely re-invented himself - he has really blossomed in the last year.

guineapiglet · 24/10/2012 14:50

Hi - we have just had an out of county move and my daughter has just started at PS- she is a different girl after only half a term - she struggled long and hard in Yr 10 and 11, but thankfully got the grades required and is now much more motivated and interested - she has made a great set of friends already and seems so settled and happy. Teaching is excellent, and yes, they are expected to work hard and do their best. We are really pleased we made the move, it will hopefully have been the best thing for her.

cory · 23/10/2012 20:26

Just been round both PS and Barton Peveril. Both looked good, but dd's chief interest is in drama so she is hoping for BP. If her only interests had been in more traditional academic subjects she would have wanted PS. A friend's ds is doing science at Brockenhurst (preparing for medical school) and is very happy.

LittenTree · 23/10/2012 11:40

I'm crap at Slebs. I'd only heard of 2 people on the PS wiki list, and one on the BP one!

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ISingSoprano · 23/10/2012 11:39

Colin Firth's brother, Jonathan was in my year at PS Grin

LittenTree · 23/10/2012 10:45

BUT BP gave the world Colin Firth. He and his mates locked my bestie in the cupboard in the Geography A level room once.

And I thought that smarmy git Chris Martin went to some cathedral school out west?

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Mintyy · 22/10/2012 20:37

PSC doesn't have toilet nuns but it did give the world Jack Dee (and I think I read somewhere Chris Martin) and my A level history teacher Andy Norriss who wrote .

eatyourveg · 22/10/2012 20:32

No but PSC surely has the ghost of old Miss Taylor the Latin teacher - the scariest woman I have ever met - the knitting nun in the toilet never spoke, Miss Taylor didn't either, she growled and roared. Fabulous woman - if only I had thought so when I was 16.

TalkinPeace2 · 22/10/2012 20:29

now THAT is a thought to conjure with!
maybe Taunton's do ...

LittenTree · 22/10/2012 20:20

But does PSC have toilet nuns, I ask? Mm?

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eatyourveg · 22/10/2012 19:59

The toilet nun in my day stayed in the loos off the vestibule - open all hours from what I remember. Sorry OP for hijacking. Stick to PSC, my dad went there when it was a grammar during WWII, db1 was in the last grammar intake in 1972, db2 me and db3 went too as well as dn 1 2 and 3 and my mum still invigilates there. Are you picking up that at least as far as my family goes - its great!

SonorousBip · 22/10/2012 11:50

LOL, I'm much older than any of you - St Anne's was direct grant when I started in the mid 1970's (eek!), i think it went fully comprehensive in about 1977. And yes, I had Sr Mary Oliver as my Year 7 teacher (1st year, in old speak). I would have had her as about 65+ then. I also remember the toilet nun very well - she used to sit in there and knit. They used to open the different toilet blocks on alternate weeks - never sure what that was about?!

TalkinPeace2 · 21/10/2012 11:37

Scary - I probably saw both of you going to school, eatyourveg when I was a student and whatever when I owned a student let!

Eve good call TBH - HCS do great things with some kids but their results still do not compare with the big comps in the breadth of education on offer.

Whatevertheweather · 21/10/2012 08:27

Grin 1992-1997 I was there. She is timeless

eatyourveg · 21/10/2012 08:10

Sister Mary Oliver was 70+ even when I was there! (v early 80s)

Eve · 20/10/2012 22:27

DS is year 9 as well & all these are options for him. Interested in views.

He's thinking engineering, but he's not top set, more middle set plus dyslexic which disadvantages him.

We chose not to go to HCS or private as state schools are so good.

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