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OFQUAL have spoken.

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magentadreamer · 31/08/2012 16:39

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-19438536

Not suprised with their findings. Grade boundaries stand but a resit in November is offered. Unable to read full report as ofqual site has crashed.

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Kez100 · 31/08/2012 19:08

Less- they could have resat CAs.

Less · 31/08/2012 18:41

I don't have DC involved or taking GCSE's in the next few years and I'm sure I would feel strongly that it was unfair for this year if I did, but didn't this "adjustment" need to happen? The grades couldn't keep increasing year on year for ever.

Taking your example Copthall, has there been something in the air that has made children progressively cleverer and/or teaching better for the last 24 years? Even if there has, the whole system becomes meaningless if too many get top marks.

I'm sure when I took my O-level's (a million years ago) the top x% got A's and the next y% B's etc. There was no set pass mark as such, which meant the paper was effectively moderated and students were marked only against their peers in that year (which across the country must be broadly similar from one year to the next?). That seems reasonable to me.

The way the change has been made is clearly not reasonable. However, what difference would it have made if teachers had known in advance? Surely all children are taught to do the best they can, not simply to get to that magic C grade Wink . So if students were only capable of z% = D grade, how would they have got z +1% if teachers had known in advance?

NoComet · 31/08/2012 18:41

Just huge sympathy for all involved.

Yes the grades in exams have slipped (the A levels required by my university are mind blowing compared to my old prospectus)

But they should have gently tightened them over several years. Doing this mid year is an utter and total disgrace!

(DD2got caught by them fucking about with legal 6 SATs boundaries, that doesn't matter GCSE English DOES!)

Knowsabitabouteducation · 31/08/2012 18:41

I read the first half and skimmed the second through glazed over eyes.

I understand how they have applied statistics to two different sets of data (one 12x the size of the other).

There is always a risk of being the guinea pig at the start of a new qualification, although this time, the AQA students lucked out. It went the other way for Edexcel Science students at the first sitting in November.

These modular exam systems take a couple of years for a teacher to get their heads wrapped around the system, and the strategies for playing it. Add to that the implications that the January and June cohorts will not be statistically similar for whatever reason. Another confounding variable is that students who were presumed to be more able deserted the new qualification in favour of IGCSE.

One of the descriptions of how the determined grade boundaries was by matching skills from one year to the next. It's not just about numbers and forcing a statistical distribution.

It seems that the conclusion is that the anomalous set of results was the January one. The June 2012 was broadly similar at assessing student knowledge and skills to June 2012, according to the report. No one is suggesting regrading the January results, which would be the logical thing to do.

Bring on linear!

FunnyLittleFrog · 31/08/2012 18:40

Wonder if schools below the 40 per cent floor will still be forced to become academies.

Whole thing stinks. Angry

magentadreamer · 31/08/2012 18:28

It's my bedtime reading Knowabit Grin

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FunnyLittleFrog · 31/08/2012 18:24

I have scanned it, will save it for later! Basic jist is they must maintain standards from year to year - and June results are accurate while Jan were too generous.

If they regraded, results would not be in line with previous years.

If exam boards were too generous in Jan and caused this fiasco they should be fined.

FunnyLittleFrog · 31/08/2012 18:21

I am very worried about what will happen next summer. If Ofqual are fine about what happened this time then they are giving license to exam boards to do what the hell they like next year.

Knowsabitabouteducation · 31/08/2012 18:18

Has anyone read the 42 page report on the Ofqual website?

Kez100 · 31/08/2012 18:15

I assume the free resit will go with the child and when they go to 6th form college or sixth form they will be able to use up the credit, and those schools will have to cope with a bumper entrance.

I think it is a dreadful state of affairs and am so pleased my daughter had extra English to bring her to a B/C borderline which with the drop means she was still a Grade C, she could so easily have been in this group.

I feel for every student shafted by this system.

FunnyLittleFrog · 31/08/2012 18:05

Itchy - yes, I'll suggest that to our head too. It's a sound idea.

And how on Earth will schools manage these re-sits? Not just the cost but the fact that the students will need teaching before the exam - it's months now since they were in lessons. Timetables for Sept onwards have been done - can't just find a few more hours and a teacher from nowhere!

Itchyandscratchy · 31/08/2012 17:54

This absolutely STINKS. I feel truly sick about it. There is absolutely no way any student would want to re-take: they'd be marked against the 'new' higher grade boundaries and all exam boards will be wanting to show Ofqual that they can roll over and perform tricks which do NOT include awarding higher grades. I'd say it is actually much harder now this year to get a successful re-mark. It's so politically driven.

However, Copthall, you could in theory be able to show how near the grade boundary you were. Schools have access to the exam board mark breakdown for every student. If it was now up to me (I'm not a headteacher but I'm seriously thinking of suggesting this to my head), I would take the mark from the exam board site, include it on an official letter signed by the head for each student who was predicted a C and got a D instead; and tell the student to include this letter alongside the student's exam certificates, which clearly reminds employers of the fiasco this year, outlines where the boundaries were in January and then in June and where this student's mark was.

Copthallresident · 31/08/2012 17:16

It wasn't just state schools and pupils on the C/D margin. Results were down at DD2s highly selective school, as they were at other local selectives, mirroring what Wycombe Abbey Head said in the Press and regardless of whether they were GCSEs or IGCSEs. But obviously it's not political or the marking? We need to look for another explanation. Was there something in the air in 1995 that interfered with the brains of this cohort? Or perhaps all these schools at the top of the league tables suddenly got worse at selection and teaching? Or we parents have produced a particularly dysfunctional cohort? Or they were significantly more lazy / complacent than last year?

I have a DD1 who took GCSEs four years ago and I know that this years cohort were no different and DD2 would have got a better set of results then. There are some real shockers at AS and A2 too, even mighty St Pauls are sending subjects back for wholesale remark. But all remarks so far are coming back with no change as well, which is also not usual. The sad thing is that those in unis will have no way of knowing if an applicant was a victim at the borderline or firmly within that grade so we will be more ready to discount a GCSE grade if it is not consistent with other measures of the pupils ability. Few people argue change wasn't needed but in terms of effective change Mr Gove has delivered only something that is unfair and undermines the exam system even further. He gets a Grade E on my mark scheme.

eversoamazed · 31/08/2012 17:06

this link should work
www.ofqual.gov.uk/files/2012-08-31-gcse-english-awards-2012-a-regulatory-report.pdf

Knowsabitabouteducation · 31/08/2012 16:42

I am not surprised.