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Proposed Michaela Community School in Tooting

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gazzalw · 30/01/2012 11:38

Does anyone have any further information on this? Was handed a flier about this with details of two parents' info evenings coming up very soon.....

It seems to offer a good option for a small secondary school - those in charge seem to have very good credentials but would be useful to know more.....

It seems as if it is proposing to be open for September 2012 so how come it wasn't flagged up an an option for current Year 6s?

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Proposedmcstooting · 27/02/2012 10:01

Sorry not to get to this forum on Friday, but just to let you know that the full statement is up on the website www.proposedmcstooting.co.uk

madgirl · 27/02/2012 09:45

Shambolic in my opinion. It would have been a massive leap of faith anyway, so this goes to show it was the wrong team in the first place. Angry

gazzalw · 24/02/2012 14:45

Thanks KandyBarr - but I do think that they shouldn't have started marketing before they knew it was logistically likely - it is all rather non-professional despite the suited and booted very professional image they portrayed at the meetings!

Hmmmmm!

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KandyBarr · 24/02/2012 14:43

Guardian is subtly putting the boot in about her presiding over chaos after accusing other head teachers of doing the same. Fair enough, I guess.

gazzalw Here's hoping you have good news on 1 March.

gazzalw · 24/02/2012 12:53

Sorry Irisjohnson didn't realise you stood to lose personally/professionally from their proposal. You must be breathing a huge sigh of relief....

Well in theory it shouldn't ever need to be an option for us but in the worst case scenario, even as untried/untested option, it would have probably been a preferable one to some of the others....

I think for some parents, whose children have listed grammar schools (for which they didn't pass) and for whom the sixth preference (and fall-back option) is looking increasingly likely to be their allocated school, it might have been an attractive proposition...

But alas the dangling carrot has been withdrawn and in a way that to me says quite a lot about the underlying ethics of the whole venture Hmm

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irisjohnson · 24/02/2012 12:33

It would have required a massive leap of faith though to commit to a school without a site that appears to be making it up as it goes along. I understand that it might have seemed like a good option in the face of other choices but I would have been very nervous about having my children take part in that particular experiment.

Anyway, I haven't had to consider it from a prospective parents' point of view but I have to confess to being absolutely delighted that my business isn't going to be turfed out of the Trident centre just yet.

Looking on the bright side, it's undoubtedly better to find out now that it's not happening as opposed to four months down the line when you had thought that was where your child would be going in September.

gazzalw · 24/02/2012 12:21

Well that doesn't surprise me but having offered us that potential dangling carrot great for it to have been taken away when it could possibly have solved loads of potentially disappointed parents' secondary school woes...

Not really very happy about it...hmmmm!

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irisjohnson · 24/02/2012 12:03

There's a press release on the school's website today saying the school won't be opening this September. They haven't secured the site, they'll try to get it going for 2013 but they are no longer accepting admissions for this year.

They must be feeling a bit stupid, having circulated leaflets stating they will be at Trident from 2012 etc. I don't think they can have had much support from parents or even the council. I believe there was a council meeting about it on Wednesday and the paper circulated beforehand didn't seem particularly in favour or demonstrative of a need for the school.

Guess we wait and see what happens next.

KandyBarr · 23/02/2012 11:39

somebloke Unconvinced by degrees of anonymity for children, but agree with you in that she's likely to be much less cavalier about it now she's running her own school.

And despite myself I found myself agreeing with her comments last week on holidays in term time.

She's certainly a divisive character.

somebloke123 · 23/02/2012 10:32

KandyBarr I guess in my case it would depend on just how anonymised they were. A pupil can be anonymised by a name change, so not identifiable by the wider public, and yet still be identifiable by parents and pupils at the same school. I certainly wouldn't want that.

I don't think I would have a particular issue with Ms B right now since she is no longer anonymous and she will have to be much more careful about sharing details of her pupils with the world at large - and she will certainly not want to put the future reputation of her new school at risk.

I still think it's valuable to get the contributions of people in the thick of the everyday stresses of these socially sensitive jobs. And if they never refer to individual cases and even individual conversations we may be missing something. We then have to rely for our information on personal anecdotes and gossip, abstract argument, Ofsted inspection reports, school presss releases etc.

An example - not from education - that springs to mind is the doctor/psychologist/essayist Theodore Dalrymple (aka Anthony Daniels) who served as a prison doctor and has given accounts of conversations with some of the prisoners he treated ("I had to kill her doctor, or I don't know what I'd have done").

I suppose there is always going to be a tension, and a balance to be drawn, between "telling it like it is" with specific examples, and maintaining confidentialty. A bit of a tightrope I think and probably no cut and dried answers.

KandyBarr · 22/02/2012 18:46

madgirl I was going by your report of a tiny turnout at the public meeting Confused

You're right - I'm sure interest will pick up after 1 March.

madgirl · 22/02/2012 18:08

Do we know that she is struggling to attract interest for sure? I agree with whoever posted above that the level of interest will surely rise on 1st March when hundreds of parents don't get their "choice" of secondary school in Wandsworth.

KandyBarr · 22/02/2012 18:00

somebloke Neither would I want my child appearing 'anonymised' or as a 'composite' in one of her blogs/novels/presentations/whatever. I'm not sure I know any parent who would want it, regardless of how noble the claimed intention of exposing life at the coal face.

It's very, very hard for parents to get past that, and perhaps that's why she's struggling to attract interest in her school.

But I agree, there does appear to be hostility from vested interests.

somebloke123 · 22/02/2012 16:29

I do think some of the comments about Ms Birbalsinghe are somewhat harsh.

I never saw her original (anonymous) blog but my understanding was that the children referred to were suitably anonymised and the examples in her book were not necessarily literal accounts but composites. I'd accept though that it was perhaps sailing close to the wind to show pictures of some of her pupils at the Tory Party conference, though she did claim that she had only done so with permission.

There have been a number of anonymous blogs by teachers, policemen, social workers etc etc giving an account of what life in life at the "coal face". Such people put themselves at some risk if they are outed but I think they provide a useful corrective to what we read in the mainstream media.

She expressed the view that our secondary education system is broken and went into some detail about why. As a result of this she was forced out of her job, dropped like a ton of hot bricks by her union (who are supposed to fight their members' case and would have surely taken her up as a cause celebre had she made a rabble rousing left wing speech at a a Labour or NUT Conference) and informed by recruitment agencies that no state school would ever touch her again with a bargepole.

Rather than just roll over and accept the destruction of her career she decided to step up to the plate and accept the challenge of setting up her own school.

She may have an ego and flair for publicity, but that isn't exactly unusual in a head teacher, and can be turned to advantage. I wish her luck.

I think quite a bit of the hostility towards her is from vested interests in the educational establishment. As John Prescott so memorably put it, "If you let people set up schools and they turn out to be good schools the problem is that everyone will want to go to them." Quelle horreur!

Incidentally I have no connection with her or the people setting up her school, nor do I have any personal interest since my own children are getting to the end of their secondary school careers.

I remember the stress of secondary admission and am glad I won't have to go through it again - also sympathise with those who are going through it right now.

Blu · 22/02/2012 14:45

I have no idea what became of my post in that middle paragraph! the sentence decends into nonsense.

KandyBarr · 22/02/2012 13:35

I rather agree, Blu. I'd never trust her or her school because I don't want my DC in one of her blogs/novels/presentations/other self-promoting vehicles. To do that is unethical, vain and just rude, frankly.

But I do have some sympathy with her arguments about limitations imposed on poor children because of how some teachers perceive them. Perhaps she's right in some respects, that some problems can only be tackled with a radical overhaul.

Blu · 22/02/2012 11:35

I had thought that she said that the 'fictional' events in her book were based on real events in the real schools she had taught in - which I thought included Dunraven in Streatham.

The article from the person with a different view of some of the pupils she worked with is here

However I see that she has said that her experiences in the last school she was at were a contrast to that in other schools. Other state schools....that she would presumably be admiting of, then.

But I find it unethical to write about young people in the way she does, from her position, and when it is in pursuit of self-iinterest as a novelist / careerist.

EdithWeston · 21/02/2012 16:51

Even with the prospect of Bolingbroke, there was a woeful shortage of secondary places in Wandsworth. There are certainly enough children in the area to fill both, and the reduction in children having to go out of borough will surely be welcomed.

Blu: there's something in your first post I don't understand. The school that she criticised - St Michael and All Angels - closed. It can't have had any results; good, bad or anything in 2011.

gazzalw · 21/02/2012 16:42

I don't really think many people know about it to be quite honest but think they will drum up a lot more support come March once people know their other school option!

No, there has been very little information really...mind you I noticed that they are only just starting building work for the Bolingbroke Academy and that's supposed to be opening in September 2012 too.....

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madgirl · 21/02/2012 11:05

Does anyone have any news on the Michaela School? I note they are holding a third parents information meeting on 8th March- I wonder if that means that they are struggling to attract admissions? There's been nothing in the local paper or online....

gazzalw · 10/02/2012 15:54

It was packed on Wednesday but not a huge room - probably about 50 people there possibly 75???

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KandyBarr · 10/02/2012 09:27

Did you have a packed house proposed? I heard a very different tale, but I'm sure you're right.

Proposedmcstooting · 09/02/2012 16:56

Thanks to everyone who came to our Parent Information Meeting yesterday.
We had a packed house with standing room only.

I hope everyone had a chance to speak to the team and get their questions answered but if not please do email
[email protected]
and we'll answer you directly.

gazzalw · 09/02/2012 07:42

Irisjohnson, apparently they are currently investigating off-site sports options and it could be Tooting Bec/Crystal Palace/Tooting Leisure Centre - all off-site but with a playground big enough for a footie kick-around at lunchtime.

They will know before 1st March deadline if they will go straight into the Trident Centre or have to go to a temporary site before-hand.

I shamefacedly have to say that we were impressed by the presentation and Ms Birbalsingh was very much talking about the school rather than her experiences elsewhere - very succinct and to the point. It had a high end feel about the whole thing and would be an attractive option if none of our top 5 are given to DS come 1st March.

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Proposedmcstooting · 08/02/2012 13:23

Good to see the discussion that's going on here. So here's an INVITATION for
* TODAY 8th Feb *
Tooting Leisure Centre, Greaves Place, SW17 18.00 - 20.00
Michaela Community School - Meeting for prospective parents.
Come and meet the team and get all your questions answered.
Hope to see you there
www.proposedmcstooting.co.uk