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Downsizing to educate privately - any pearls?

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Tiredbutstanding · 19/01/2012 23:36

Here's my (sorry, long) dilemma- do I sell up to go private for secondary or not?

We have attended our school for 3 years. Eldest DD is Y4, and there is STILL no weekly or bi-weekly academic homework and definitely NO maths written sheets. We get 30 mins every 2-3 weeks - mostly to look something up on the internet, and write a few paragraphs. Our 'homework' for this TWO WEEK PERIOD is to cut out a hut from a pattern, and stick some foliage on it for a class project. I kid you not.

My DD has needed extra maths this year as she has gaps in yr 2 and 3 maths which were not spotted until year 4 (along with many other children). We now have a tutor to assist.

I have met with/written to, the head, governors etc, to ask for voluntary homework - to no avail. Subsequently ....as the school does not seem to respect homework, neither do my children!! So when it lands, it is a BATTLE to get them to do it. The first attempt is AWFUL and worries me incredibly that this is what they actually produce at school. Yet when 'encouraged' they do a really good job, and the work is of a high standard. (We do now of course do our own homework to make up the shortfall but as it is 'mum' making them do it, and not the school, it is perceived as less valid and even 'unfair/unnecessary').

Why I don't pull them out and go elsewhere?...because we had SUCH a horrendous time when we moved 3 years ago. Also, to be fair to the Head, the year 6 results for the school are good and he says to 'have faith'. It is true that their maths results were 100% Level 4 maths, and about 50% Level 5. So a small miracle may happen - hence we'll stay at this school and do our best for them via home learning.

But for secondary - should we sell the house, and downsize to go private (to a non selective private school). I fear that this LACK of self discipline (that the school is, if not engendering, at least not preventing) is potentially going to fail both DD's at secondary- just when you need to be well motivated to flourish amongst 30 per class, and 8 classes of 30 per year.....

Should say here that if we go private the current lifestyle will have to go too (like many parents). (I went private as my parents knew I was a lazy monkey and I can see the same in my kids!! However it forced me to work hard and later gain a good career......and I've been eternally grateful for this.

Any pearls for me?

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exoticfruits · 25/01/2012 22:26

I have know DCs who shouldn't be there-they were taught to the test. I have known people on a waiting list who got a place when some were taken up but I haven't known anyone get in on appeal.

smallwhitecat · 25/01/2012 22:21

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exoticfruits · 25/01/2012 22:21

They can't get in if there isn't a space. They certainly don't get in on appeal in the 2 areas that I have experience of-despite solicitors.

Heswall · 25/01/2012 22:19

Seeker, I've known kids who should never be at a grammar school in a million years get in on appeal.

Heswall · 25/01/2012 22:17

I'm so glad you've said that SWC because I've spoken to local headteachers who seem to think they are the educational nirvana that all other LEA's should apsire to and yet I see an authority with a dwindling population under 18, a surpluss of school places and a handful of schools actually educating to a good standard.

I have my reservation about the grammars too in that they are big fish in a small pool, compared against the country as a whole the Wirral isn't much to get excited about.
Sorry I've highjacked OP Blush

seeker · 25/01/2012 22:16

Heswall- I know from personal experience what it's like to have q child unexpectedly fail the -11+. Please don't count your chickens.

exoticfruits · 25/01/2012 22:14

There will be so many places at grammar school and the pass mark will reflect it. A mark that would get you a place one year, might not another year.

Heswall · 25/01/2012 22:13

Ok well rest assured I am not relying on a private school to help me navigate the state system, that would be very silly.

smallwhitecat · 25/01/2012 22:13

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seeker · 25/01/2012 22:11

God, I hate that "cream rises to the top" expression!

exoticfruits · 25/01/2012 22:04

I was going by
My kids aren't genius' by any stretch but i do know the basics have been covered now and when they get to grammar school they will keep up and thrive.
where it says 'when' and not 'if'-rather in the way people say 'bring back grammar schools' not meaning they want their own DC at a secondary modern!

Heswall · 25/01/2012 22:02

I'm also very aware that competition is tougher in other parts of the country, everyone who passes and wants a grammar will get one here. They aren't for everyone and some are better than others.

Heswall · 25/01/2012 21:59

That wasn't what I said at all exotic fruits, having been through the process I'm very aware of what it takes and it's not always the cream that rises to the top, there were some real shocks as to who did get in and who didn't a couple of years ago up here.

exoticfruits · 25/01/2012 21:46

I certainly shouldn't sit back thinking 'my DC isn't a genius, but the school will prepare him for the 11+'-the competition will be very stiff.

ElaineReese · 25/01/2012 21:45

Just re. Homework and nothing else: a lot of people choose the primary my dds are at/went to precisely because they don't go bonkers over homework. It has always been low key, and I think that's probably right at age nine or whatever.

Dd1 made the transition from this to spending a proportion of every evening working pretty hard without any trauma. No grammars here, or perhaps things would be different, but I wouldn't assume that a year 4 child who doesn't get much homework won't cope with it when he or she is older.

Heswall · 25/01/2012 21:34

*stay in private, it would be embarrasing if they had to stay in prep forever Blush

Heswall · 25/01/2012 21:33

99.9% go to grammar from state, the prep kids typically stay in prep from what i've seen.
And I am certain they do teach basic maths somewhere in the LEA just not the school I tried. I'll know for next time I guess.

tutorjane · 25/01/2012 21:18

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seeker · 25/01/2012 21:07

Because obviously schools in The Wirral "don't teach basic Maths"!

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exoticfruits · 25/01/2012 19:27

In fact it is probably a lot cheaper to pay for a tutor, and one to one tuition, and aim for grammar school than pay out for private and expect them to get them to the right standard.

exoticfruits · 25/01/2012 19:25

I wouldn't bank on it. One of the cleverest people that I know, whose parents were both Oxbridge educated, failed. She got to university in the end- but not to grammar school. It isn't as cut and dried as you seem to think. I also know identical twins (nothing to choose academically) where one passed and one failed. The boy I knew who according to his parents was a 'sure cert' failed, and he didn't get a place despite appeals and engaging a solicitor.
It will take more than covering the basics-I hope you are aware that those not paying out for private will have been engaging tutors for the last few years-the competition is huge.

seeker · 25/01/2012 19:05

So nobody from state school goes to grammar in your area?

Jajas · 25/01/2012 18:54

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Heswall · 25/01/2012 18:46

Oh well bully for them, it's not my experience of the local schools.

Oh and yes it is when, not if Grin