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Dreadful handwriting concern...

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Feminine · 13/10/2011 03:17

We are returning to the UK next year (in US)

My DS13 has really bad handwriting ,to the point that I can't understand 70% of it!

It has not always been this way, he started his school life in the UK and churned out reasonable 'starter' cursive. When we arrived here,he was instructed to revert back to printing...anyway this played havoc with his 'style'

I am actually getting concerned, he can't/won't see the problem, and seems to think computers should/will take care of it.

I am really looking for help in getting him focused, and maybe some advice as to how he can improve.

Its not helping that his typing skills are superb ,its only fulling his argument to not even bother to print clearly!

How much of his coursework will be on the computer?

Thanks all :)

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Feminine · 17/10/2011 18:39

Yes,Ilove you are right.

He has an amazing typing speed ,its accurate too!

Lucky thing...I spend ages and I "hunt and peck" and they call it here Grin

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IloveJudgeJudy · 17/10/2011 17:20

I would guess that the typing has had an effect on his handwriting. I can type pretty fast and it's much easier for me to type than to write, but as I've just started an OU course, I think I'm going to have to practise handwriting.

DC's school has just gone over to a new type of GCSE with much more writing in the exams. They said they are going to get the DC to practise this as they're not used to writing for two hours which is what some of the final exams will be. Normally it's only about 45 mins. You have to work up to that.

I have a bit of the same problem with DS2. I just need to get him (and me) to knuckle down and practise!

Feminine · 17/10/2011 16:23

indigo thanks ...I guess that makes sense.

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IndigoBell · 17/10/2011 15:25

No teachers can't spot the difference. Only an OT could.

Feminine · 17/10/2011 15:02

Yes,linz it would not be too difficult to organize I suppose-thanks :)

Do you think teachers are trained to spot handwriting problems? ie lazy v needing specialized help?

None of the teachers here have said anything about his scribbles ...mind you that does not surprise me unfortunately...Grin

I am going to work with DS for a couple of weeks ...just to see.

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LIZS · 17/10/2011 07:22

An assessment could take a while to organise though - ds had an 18 month wait for an NHS OT - by which time your ds could be well into his GCSE studies. If you can get one done before your return (and if you have private healthcare it shouldn't be that difficult) or have a letter of support from the current school at least then you have starting point to argue with in the meantime. Otherwise I fear you will come up against resistance and scepticism.

Feminine · 17/10/2011 00:26

startail I always thought it would be a big fat X from an examiner if it was too difficult to decipher!

Your story is quite uplifting Grin

Thanks.

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Feminine · 17/10/2011 00:22

Thanks for those hints tab :)

I am totally out of touch with UK secondary schools ,I have a lot to learn!

If moving countries again wasn't enough eh?

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startail · 17/10/2011 00:22

Don't threat to much my hand writing horrible, DHs is worse still and our exam markers managed.
Seriously my uncle spent years marking A level history scripts and he said they only ever had one that no one could read (sometimes bad ones got passed round to different markers until someone could read them)

tabulahrasa · 17/10/2011 00:10

To be honest, if his writing is as bad as you describe - he should be allowed a laptop, but i just wanted you to know that what should happen isn't always what does happen, unfortunately.

And of course it'll still be an issue for subjects like maths, I know some schools have been trialling electronic papers - but I don't know if they're actually in use yet.

Feminine · 16/10/2011 23:24

Well don't worry tab :) I can see your point.

If he does have a SEN then I suspect the school will have/want to take care of it.

If not, then he will just have to practice his handwriting even more!

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tabulahrasa · 16/10/2011 22:13

Schools generally don't let pupils bring in their own laptops. At least I've never been in one that does and it's against LEA rules here.

Which is why there has to be a specific need - because you're asking for school resources.

In theory it should be as simple as he'd benefit from it so he can use one, but that's not how it actually works.

Feminine · 16/10/2011 19:42

Thank you all...thanks for the links :)

Oh,yes he will have a lap-top ...he trades things and has acquired quite a collection Shock his bedroom looks like mission control.

So, because of his love for all things gadgety...I needed to find out if he was just being lazy.

Today we practiced some more, I can see improvement but he has slipped in to bad habits (thats for sure)

I will get him assessed when we get back early next year,I am sure the experts will be able to tell if he is being lazy or might need extra help.

peteneras that made me laugh ...

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MindtheGappp · 16/10/2011 18:28

tabulah, I think the OP's DS would have a laptop. She hasn't mentioned this as being a problem.

Yes, for any access arrangement, you have to need it in lessons before you can have it in exams. This is a key principle.

peteneras · 16/10/2011 17:01

'My DS13 has really bad handwriting ,to the point that I can't understand 70% of it!'

Don't despair OP, I can see a potential medic in the making. . . .

I can never read any of my or the family doctors' handwriting. Grin

lazymumofteenagesons · 16/10/2011 16:18

My son was assessed at the beginning of year 9 by the SENCO. Given a timed handwriting test and then using a laptop. Also the test rpoved his spelling is affected when he writes cos so much effort is going into the writing that he loses his train of thought etc. This was not so much to do with whether it was legible but how much he could write and the content.

He got permission to use a laptop in class and this automatically led to use of it at GCSEs. He just moved to a sixth from college and this permission ends in december. However, new rules as stated above mean they do not have to reassess him - SENCO said that use of laptop in class now means that they just fill out a form for him to use in exams. But you can't just turn up and expect to be able to use a laptop in an exam.

Also not sure what rules apply for illegible handwriting. Original testing of DS2 was needed to prove that use of laptop would not put him at an unfair advantage over the others. His speed of writing was so much below average that he needed to type just to be level.

tabulahrasa · 16/10/2011 13:12

Yes but to have evidence of their use in school, they need to be using one in school and to get access to one in school you have to have an actual need for one.

That's not impossible, but it's not a case of - my DS has terrible writing, can he have a laptop please?

MindtheGappp · 16/10/2011 13:07

The reasons for using a laptop in lessons will be the same as for exams.

The access arrangements have changed in the last year where to show a need for extra time, scribe/reader, and laptop in exams, you have to have evidence of their use in lessons and in school exams.

Illegible handwriting is something that will impede a student from reaching their full potential, so it is not a case of demonstrating a medical need, or whatever. If the examiner can't read their scripts, then they need an alternative method of completing them.

LIZS · 16/10/2011 12:36

Then he's currently Year 8 age, entering Year 9 next September. They start to drop subjects in year 9 ime.

tabulahrasa · 16/10/2011 12:30

It's nowhere near as straightforward as - they use a laptop in lessons so they can use one in the exam. There needs to be a reason they're using a laptop.

If you think it might be partly because of his grip, try putting a pencil grip on his pen, or a shaped pen

Feminine · 16/10/2011 12:20

Well yesterday , we decided that we need to find out if its him being lazy...or something he might need outside help with.

At first he started writing with the same sloppy outcome,then I noticed that somehow he has started to hold his pen strangely ( only a subtle difference though)

I reminded him how he used to hold his pen, and he tried again ...as you can imagine this was not a ball of fun Grin after adjusting his grip, it did improve slightly

We have told him that he will need to practice each day, just to see if we can overcome/fix this at home.

Although I said he was 13, he will have his 13th Birthday in November...:)

I am guessing he will be able to take vocational subjects at 16?

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LIZS · 16/10/2011 07:58

Can you find an private OT ? Are you sure he'd only be year 8, if he is already 13 then he'd be Year 9 next September, or even Year 10 if he turns 14 in the meantime. You choose GCSE options late in year 9 so can focus a little more and can drop weaker subjects but not sure what you mean about taking up more vocational studies. The curriculum hasn't really evolved that way yet until 16+ although plans are afoot for earlier, but he may be able to do DT, Art, ICT , Drama, Music, PE etc at GCSE depending what the school offers, alongside traditional English, Maths, Science (2 or 3). language etc. Cricketballs, I have a 13yo in Year 9 and very am doubtful he would be affected by any such changes.

Feminine · 15/10/2011 18:20

LIZS yes, DS can touch types accurately, and at break-neck speed!

This is where one of my concerns comes in really, he is a tech wizard ...no idea how do explain that without looking like I am bragging!

Computers are his thing.

that is why I am wondering if he is just being bloody lazy, or has a problem.

I tested him the other day ...his first few words start off reasonable but they get smaller and smaller and quite honestly odd Confused

So, I am wondering if he started to feel more comfortable with typing as he can move fast? educationally, he was always ahead, not anymore ...its not unusual for him to bring home F grades.

Its a mess.

When we get back he will be in YR8 ,will he be the right age to start more vocational studies? I know he will stay till 18 ,which (for me) sounds a good idea for him.

I will ask the school here if he can be assessed, I am doubtful though as it is an old-fashioned school board.

DS can script and install programs, in his computer class he is only allowed to type text...Confused this is one of the reasons we are coming home actually.

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cricketballs · 15/10/2011 16:52

sorry hit post too soon!

In terms of the time for changes, the GCSE/vocational changes are going to affect all year 9 students within 2 years of the change in policy

cricketballs · 15/10/2011 16:50

Lizs; but it is down to the government about educational changes and they can put pressure on the exam boards.....

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