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What type of school for my transferring 11-year-old American daughter?

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windycitymom · 15/08/2011 19:55

We are relocating to London from Chicago in January 2012, so I am very new to the organization of the school system in the UK. My daughter is 11-years-old and starting 6th grade here in the United States. Would it be better for her to attend a primary school that goes up to 13-years-old (she could then attend the same school as her 8-year-old brother), or should I place her in an independent secondary school apart from her brother? We expect to be in the UK only 2-3 years, and then return to the US for high school. (I am not very interested in sending my children to ASL.)

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Strix · 23/08/2011 16:53

We don't really do report cards here in the UK like in the states. Children are tested, and the results are used to group them according to their abilities test results. But, the results are not shared with the parents. Everything is done in groups. My kids sit at tables of 5 or 6 six kids. Whereas in the states the whole class tends to sit at their own desk facing the front of the room. I'm sure every school is different but this is my experience in the UK. Incidentally, I am American grew up just outside Chicago, so that is the system to which I compare my children's experiences.

I think the Good Schools Guide is the best source for good schools really. So, if you follow that book, you are getting good information.

Also, if you go to a state school, they will place them according to their age so there really isn't any room for you to choose which year she goes into. Private schools I understand are sometimes more flexible.

mrswoodentop · 18/08/2011 07:34

What about King Alfreds ,not had personal experience but independent 'progressive 'in north London,think it goes all the way through as well so both children could be together

TotallyUnheardOf · 18/08/2011 00:32

Yes, WCM, though in the city where I was it was pretty much par for the course (you can probably work out where I was by that - college town, very Catholic... Wink). And it was made up for by the warmth of the welcome and the genuineness of everyone I met.

Your current school sounds great, but I agree that your kids may find the change to the UK system quite challenging. They are so hugely flexible, though. I was awed by how my dds adapted.

Good luck with it all.

windycitymom · 17/08/2011 19:48

Thanks everyone. @Totally -- I think you had a very strict Catholic school here in the US. The one in my town is not nearly so "churchy!" I think the trickiest thing about getting my children settled into a school is that they currently go to a VERY progressive public school here in Chicago (as in 80% experiential learning and no exams until 3rd grade, and then only a few tests here and there until 7th grade!) So my children have very little experience with the traditional education I had where we memorized and regurgitated the 3 R's and received grades and report cards! Hopefully they will adapt to a more traditional education setting quickly. My husband and I have started calling schools, and while ASL is pretty full, many others seem to have some flexibility. Fingers crossed...

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maree1 · 17/08/2011 18:11

You will get a fair bit of information on independent sector schools if you check out First Eleven Magazine - they have an online edition.

EdithWeston · 17/08/2011 13:45

windycitymom you have to get in touch with the school and ask. Leavers' destinations are often included in prospectuses anyway, or should be available on request.

The "big name" international school is Hill House (also in Chelsea) which goes to end year 8 (that is 12/13 year olds). It has a very distinctive uniform.

MrsSchadenfreude · 17/08/2011 12:20

WCM - I would look at some of the international schools, which are more likely to have vacancies, as well as the London private schools. As others have said, many of the London private schools will be full - a friend of mine has had a short notice move to London, and there were only two schools (and she was looking in a wide area) that had vacancies. And one of those, her daughter didn't pass the entrance exam for, so her "choice" went down to virtually nothing. I would echo those who say, ring the schools now - they will know if they are going to have vacancies come January, and if they don't, then at least you will know at an early stage and be able to widen your search.

Personally, I would sort out schools, as this is going to be more difficult, and then look at where you are going to live. ASL is apparently v oversubscribed as a lot of local parents send their kids there as it is easier for them to go to an Ivy League uni from ASL than from a British public school...

TotallyUnheardOf · 17/08/2011 01:07

WCM - Good luck with your move.

I recently did what you are doing but in reverse and for a much shorter time (I was in the US for 6 months a year ago now, not a million miles away from the Windy City, in fact!).

My dd1 was in 5th Grade over there and in Year 6 here, so I can confirm that 6th Grade = Year 7.

Much depends on the child, I think, as to how well they settle. My dd1 was a bit unsettled by the move, whereas dd2 just fitted right in and after a week it was as if she'd been an American girl her whole life. (She was in 3rd Grade btw.) On balance, though, I'd look for a solution where your dd doesn't have to change schools halfway through her time here. That'll give her the chance to make lasting friendships and to feel properly settled.

Just to say that often religious schools here are quite 'light touch' compared to the US. I am not a Catholic, but because I was in the US for a short time I couldn't access the public school system (even if I'd wanted to) and most of the private schools where I was were Catholic, so the dds ended up in a Catholic school. It was a lovely school and everyone was really kind to us, but the religious aspect was quite - how to put it? - full on (Mass three times a week, prayer services on the other days, prayers after every lesson, something called 'liturgical singing' which I never really fathomed, etc etc.). I am not complaining, because I knew what to expect, but this was just to say that a CofE school here might well be limited to a prayer in the morning and the occasional church service (e.g. at the end of term), so could be quite different from a religious school in the US. (Though maybe the one I ended up in wasn't typical - I'm not 100% sure.)

My other piece of advice would be just to phone the school you're interested in and talk to them. I chose my US school on the basis of the welcome I got when I called them and explained our circumstances.

Wishing you the very best of luck.

windycitymom · 17/08/2011 00:53

Where can I find information on where children from Hampshire (or any school for that matter) move on to?

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Oakmaiden · 16/08/2011 17:45

Oh, Hampshire School looks lovely. My only concern would be that if you are here for 3 years it would mean your daughter would have to move on to another school at the end of her second year there. Can you find out where the children from the Hampshire school tend to move on to?

thisisyesterday · 15/08/2011 23:17

a special school is one for children with special needs.

mainstream is just a regular school

CofE is, indeed, Church of England

Clary · 15/08/2011 23:17

windycitymom to answer your last post, yes CofE is Church of England (many primaries here, esp in villages, are CofE ie linked to the village church.

Special schools are for pupils with special educational needs who are better educated there than in a mainstream setting (eg severe autism, behavioural and communication difficulties, etc); many pupils with SEN are educated in mainstream schools in UK - mainstream being the majority of schools, the standard if you like. Not something you need to be concerned with from the sound of yr posts. HTH

windycitymom · 15/08/2011 23:11

And I also have a "translation" question about the Good Schools Guide -- What does it mean when it refers to "mainstream" and "special" schools? And does CofE mean Church of England?

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windycitymom · 15/08/2011 22:48

OK, wow, what a lot of good information. So here it is: We will have a relo package from my husband's firm, so we can go to whatever school we want and live any place we want (perhaps a problem of too many choices, no?!). Currently, we are leaning toward GEMS Hampshire in Chelsea (they accept through age 13). I prefer not to go to ASL - if we move to London, I would prefer my kids not hang out with lots of kids from NY and Texas lol :) Are there any good schools that go to 18 in addition to ASL? And yes, my daughter, I think, would be Year 7 - she is already 11. I would really like to be in central London. I lived in W2 20 years ago when I was a college student in London and am most familiar with the city center.

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LawrieMarlow · 15/08/2011 21:44

OP are you looking for a private school (fee paying) or a state school (not fee paying?)

MollieO · 15/08/2011 21:42

There are quite a few schools that do 3 to 18. Maybe the OP should have a look at the Good Schools Guide for starters.

Oakmaiden · 15/08/2011 21:41

This website has a great search facility for independent schools, and lets you see easily the age range the school caters for: www.isbi.com/isbi-searchform.asp

Oakmaiden · 15/08/2011 21:36

Lynette -yes, Grade 6 is Year 7.

Oh - just had a brain wave! There are a FEW independent schools which run 3-18 years - (for example Ballard School, in Hampshire). That type of school would be ideal, because then both children would be together and would stay in the same school regardless of whether they are here for 2 or 3 years.

LynetteScavo · 15/08/2011 21:31

isn't G6 = Y7? Confused

LynetteScavo · 15/08/2011 21:30

Oakmaiden, you have even confused me! Grin

Is grade 6 the same as Y6? Hmm If so....

windycitymom, if you you can find a school your DD can attend for years 6/7/8, then I think it would be preferable than starting her at one school for Y6, and then changing again in Sept '12.

meditrina · 15/08/2011 21:20

Looking at OO again, if you were confident that it would be only 2 years here, then I'd go for prep school until end year 8, then have the autumn term off before going back to US in the January. But if you're not sure, then she'll probably have to go to two schools, or straight to secondary. How does she take to change?

Oakmaiden · 15/08/2011 21:20

Except that in this country we don't place children in school according to their academic prowess, TalkinPeace, we place them according to their chronological age. And a child who is 11 at the beginning of September will be in Year 7.

Oakmaiden · 15/08/2011 21:18

Just to be clear - the reason it depends on the area you are moving to is that different local authorities run different school systems, which can be confusing. For example, I used to live in Dorset, which consosts of 3 local authorities - Poole, Bournemouth and Dorset county. Bournemouth runs a primary 4-11 and secondary 12-18 system. Poole runs First 4-8, Middle 8-12 and High 12+. Finally Dorset runs First 4-9, Middle 9-13 and Upper 13+.

Mopst LAs are conforming in the direction of Primary til 11 and then Secondary though.

TalkinPeace2 · 15/08/2011 21:17

OP said not the ASL

academically Kindergarten is like year R (cos our kids are hothoused)
and as OP is only here for a couple of hears, big fish small pond

meditrina · 15/08/2011 21:16

I'm not sure 6th grade is year 6 - if you are 11 on 1st Sept in England, you'll be in year 7.

Year 7 is the first year in most of the state sector (unless you are relocating to an area with a middle school system), and places will have been allocated. In the private sector, the same will be largely true, though as they are not bound by the admissions code it might be easier to secure a year 7 place (especially if you do not have a Uk address yet). But many London day schools have fiercely competitive entry, are over-subscribed, and will simply be full. There is more churn in London than in many parts of the country for prep schools, but less so in secondaries.

Have you got a school lined up for DS? Does it have many girls in the CE years?which schools do they go on to? Do you know what sort of school you want DD to go to (and work back from where you want her to be in two years' time, IYSWIM)?

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