Appealing against Permanent Exclusion

I hope she wins her appeal. Mctemp I so agree with you thank goodness you are speaking up for her. Everyone has to follow rules including schools.

Do get back and touch to let us know how it goes.

No its not and I hope to god for the the other hildren who want to learn she gets booted out.

MCtemp did you get anywhere? or did they girl stay perm excluded ?

Voodoomonkey you are right I think some people on here forget it is an opinion site. Thing is she did not ask the opinion on the poor girl. She asked about the exclusion policy.

What annoys me is how people are so quick to judge. No parent wants their child to be excluded its not all down to the parenting or all their siblings would get excluded too.

How good of the OP to put herself out and help.

Marmalade what I see in schools is that some pupils seem to get excluded for not much and others get away with lots.

There are some horrible attitudes on here. Makes me sad to read them. It is not a case of 'hanging head in shame' and walking away because of the exclusion but actively trying to seek methods which can rectify the situation. My son was internally excluded, he has a SEN statement, external support from Language and Communication team within LA and still school were unable to ensure that all staff were made aware of his language and communication issues. I think the schools behaviour was inappropriate - for a child who is already at severe risk of becoming further disengaged. My son struggles when his needs are not taken into consideration. He becomes anxious and panicky which of course he tries to mask, of course his behaviour then becomes inappropriate to an extent, however as one 'professional' suggested it would not actually be reasonable to expect a child/adult to change a behaviour over night but more to develop this new behaviour with support. It is often the case that a behaviour was not 'learned' immediately and that there is time needed to 'unlearn' it.

OP, you probably are crossing boundaries and probably do need to step away but with reference to the fact that you feel this situation has not been handled correctly I think it is understandable that you feel it necessary to be involved. At no point have I seen reference to the parents who 'wine' to the OP. More the OP feels there is a discrepancy within the actions of the school which she feels justifiably needs further examination. I very much do not see that she is actively promoting the rights of 'disruptive' children over those who are not.

Am sure there will be those on this thread that totally disagree with me, which is fine, you are entitled to your opinion of course, in the same way I am entitled to mine.

Another parent who wants to blame the school for her child's suspension. Perhaps you should spend some time addressing your son's behaviour at school which would lead to him having better outcomes.
Do you ever have a thought for the other pupils in your son's class/school whose education and lives are affected by the bad behaviour of other children in school?
I am sick of hearing parents bleating on about how their child is being victimised by schools and it's never the parents or child's fault.

just to say that my son was suspended for 3 days this academic year, i was really worried that it would happen again, only to be told by the dep head that he isn't the sort and that it would have to happen 3 times before he got excluded permanently, also it was the head that suspended him, imo went way over the top and did it just to make an example of him as it is a newly built school!

well done for speacking up for her mc temp xxxxxxxxx

My neice used to self harm, there was no reason for it, and ten years on and now she has stopped she still does not know why she used to do it.

However we got of the point of the OP, is there any more news.

Clearly this poor girl does not have parents to speak up for her, so lucky someone else is.

In my experience and self harming is a lot more commen than most people think. Children that self harm are not all bullied and quiet children with problems.

If the parents cant deal with it themselves why is the op getting so involved? It is the parents job to sort out their children. Op, you could end up getting disciplined or worse for getting so involved. I suspect this kid is a disruptive PITA with lots of problems which of course aren't her fault! Sorry but she should be excluded forever. What about the rights of the good kids? What about the rights of the kids who also have problems but don't act like troublemakers? Hate this human rights crap but let's start giving human rights to the people who work, behave, and contribute.

Hangon you re talking utter shit

Children who self harm are nither happy of confident and I am agog you would either say such a thing self harming just for the fun of it is even more of a worry than someone who dose it because they actually have issues

cookcleanerchaufferetc. Complaining to the school, getting the op to wine of their behalf trying to use the fact their travellers and their Childs deaf in one year as a excuse for her behaviour, so basically nothing

What are the parents doing to sort out their child?

She should not disrupt ther learning of 29 others but I doubt if the others are all angels. Lots of children self harm for different reasons it is very complicated. I have met happy confident children that self harm.

hopefully the pru can help her modify her behavior with a veiw to return to mainstream

i agree that this girl shouldent be allowed to disrupt the learning of the other children ( this has been a problem for my dd , she used to get put with disruptive kids becase she has sn , and she is quiet and wants to learn).I dont know what the answer is

She should not be the problem of 29 other children whom she may well prevent from learning. She needs a great deal of help but if she cannot behave well enough to prevent disruption it needs to take place in a specialised environment with sufficient resources to support her to achieve and to moderate her behaviour. Teachers in mainstream schools do not necessary have the skills or the time (student/teacher ratios) to deal with this. I agree she needs support and it is more costly to support children like this than it is those who are able to behave properly and I support that too. It is counterproductive and isn't cost effective to keep her where she is where she is having a negative impact on other students.

My husband works in a PRU. His Headteacher's end of year thank you letter to staff referred to their 'precious charges' , or words to that effect.

Being directed to a PRU if that's appropriate doesn't mean that the system is giving up on a child, far from it.

i feel sorry for this child , she may be disruptive but she is just a child , if the system just gives up on her now what hope has she got. people may not want a disruptive child in there childs class , i wouldent. but the education system can not just give up on her . if anything it will cost the taxpayer more if these issuess spill over into adult hood. i should know , i have asd , not diagnosed till i was nearly 30 . not having help earler has affected my whole life. my dd has issues at school and im fighting for her , but not all children have parents who can / know how to do that . civilized socitey has to accept she is everyones problem

admission I understand that procedures need to be followed, nevertheless the fact of a Y8 girl landing a punch with sufficient force to break another pupil's nose I find shocking, that's all.

MrsDeVere DD was diagnosed aged 12 and her school would never find her condition or its late diagnosis a reasonable excuse for landing that kind of a punch. There are pupils with full hearing loss at the school too and I can't imagine them being treated differentl on the behaviour front either. I'm not sure if this child was diagnosed late like my DD was anyhow, perhaps her mum wasn't as slack.

I may be too late down the thread for this but what the heck.

All the stuff I saw when I was working with Deaf/deaf people showed that late diagnosis of deafness was very much linked to disruptive behaviour.

Child gets told to do something - child doesnt do it because they didnt hear instruction - child gets told off for being naughty - lots of negative attention leads to more negative behaviour.

Child isnt hearing much of what is going on in classroom etc - child gets bored and misbehaves and/or child is embarressed and misbehaves to cover up lack of understanding.

yellowstone, would you hit someone who was sexually molesting you?

I would suspect that most would say the answer is yes and from the description offered by OP we were not that far from that when this girl broke the lad's nose. It would be very interesting to know whether the lad was a traveller also.

As none of us were present then, have no idea what else has gone on or how bad her behaviour has been, we really cannot apportion blame and should really concentrate on supposed facts rather than belief. Facts that should be easy to substantiate by an independant appeal panel are whether appropriate training was given to teachers over deaf children, whether they instigated appropriate procedures in the class over this, whether the school did agree actions relating to the SEN of this pupil immediately prior to their exclusion but never instigated, whether the school did carry out the required paperwork to permanently exclude the pupil correctly and whether the school in general and the class specifically were told that the pupil had been permanently excluded before the pupil and parents had been informed.

That is what the IAP will make the decision on, not whether the level of disruption and bad behaviour warranted permanent exclusion.

marriedinwhite very sorry indeed to hear that your DD has self harmed. Hopefully she'll be happy at the new school.

Whatever difficulties the girl has (and neither partial hearing loss nor being a traveller are a show stopper), breaking the nose of another pupil is sickening, really bad. Surely a PRU is the right environment for a Y8 girl with habits like that?

hang on, not smug at all if this ever happen to me I would never dare try to appeal I would slink off with my head hung in shame because I hadn't done my job properly.

Like marriedinwhite said she should of been out a lot sooner count your lucky stars they kept her for two years, she you or her parents don't have the right to drag down others
I am sure many in your area would of killed to get into that school and would of bothered to teach their children boundaries

And quite frankly I am shocked you work with in schools its people like you who make my boys life a misery bullied for a year but the so called professionals determined to keep these wild things in the school.

Shame on you so selfish which is why no doubt the little girl is like she is you willing to sacrifice 29 other students education just to keep a disruptive in her class never mine in others actually want to lean which she clearly dose not

Next time explain to the parents if they want their child to be kept in a school she is to do as she is told simples