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astrophysics/physics help

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Hullygully · 17/05/2011 11:55

Being an arts person meself, these subjects are a mystery to me, but they are what ds wants to study at uni.

Can anyone help with what A levels are best, what unis are best, and what extra-curricular stuff he should be thinking about...?

I would be extremely grateful for any/all advice. He is currently year 9.

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inthesticks · 18/05/2011 19:18

Hullygully I have a DS who sounds just like yours. Mine's in Year 10 and his ambition is to do Physics at Cambridge (like Stephen Hawking apparently). He is Just like DH so they can talk boring maths and science together while I have to help drag up his English and MFL grades.
I can't get him to read the English texts he needs but he loved A Brief History of Time , and thanks to this thread I now have a list of other stuff for him.

Lancelottie · 18/05/2011 19:13

...shall we swap?

Lancelottie · 18/05/2011 19:13

DH (radioastronomer, or at least ex-one) suggests electronics as a fourth subject, but then he's pining for a techy child to build circuits with, and we somehow seem to have created an artist, a thesp and a creative writer between us.

astronut · 17/05/2011 21:12

^^ ... ends up...

Hullygully · 17/05/2011 21:12

Oh all right, so long as he's engaged, happy and productive

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astronut · 17/05/2011 21:09

If he ends being an astronomer or research physicist you'll be waiting a long time for him to make a fortune....

Hullygully · 17/05/2011 21:07

Thanks for that. I shall order yet more books. He'd better make a bloody fortune one day and pay me back...

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astronut · 17/05/2011 20:53

Couldn't help but join to comment on this thread.... (for background I'm currently writing up for a PhD in astronomy)

For A levels, as everybody else has said Physics and Maths are essential. Further Maths is good, but more from the 'it'll make the first year of degree easier' than being a course requirement as almost all Physics/ Maths courses will cover the FM material in the first term or so of teaching to ensure everybody is at the same level, whether they did just maths, fm, IB maths etc. So if you've done FM its good since there'll be more topics you're familiar with but you go into more detail with them than you would at A level anyway.

As a fourth option, I'd go for chemistry - again there's a fair bit of overlap with some first year physics stuff that A level chemistry - at least the inorganic stuff - gives a nice bit of context to. I have yet to meet an admissions tutor who's been that bothered about the student being 'rounded' at A level and studying a humanity/ arts subject as well.... if you've got physics and maths its not going to count against you, but its not really going to help either IYSWIM?

Reading around the subject is great, but it should be something he should do because he's interested in it, not because he thinks he should for uni! As others have said New Scientist subs. is a great way to keep on top of developments and get a 'feel' for the subject. Bookwise, I would personally avoid 'A brief history of time' (some of its chapters are somewhat out of date, plus its not written in the most accessible style) but you may want to try:

  • 'Black Holes, Wormholes and Time Machines' by Jim Al-Khalili. I LOVE this book. It's aimed at a teenager audience, and its what got me into physics; I picked it up when I was 12 and thought 'wow, this is so cool!' (I was/am a complete nerd though....)
  • anything by John Gribbin, he's written tonnes of books on a whole range of astro and physics topics
  • anything by Paul Davies, ditto to JG
  • anything by Ian Stewart, he's written a lot of good, accessible books on maths; I particularly liked 'Flatterlands'

He may also like 'Astronomy Cast' (downloadable iTunes) - I'd rate this as the best astro podcast available - and may like to have google NASA's 'apod' (Astronomy Picture Of the Day), as it gives a nice idea of the scope of the subject (plus they're just cool!). TV wise, most of Jim Al-Khalili's programs are pretty good, as are Brian Cox's on particle physics/ CERN. I'd take the 'Wonders' series however with a pinch of salt, they are admittedly pretty to look at, but frankly content wise they are less than impressive (I have yet to meet an 'actual' astronomer - BC is a particle physicist and it shows - that liked either series).

As others had said, see if you have a local amateur astronomy group that run a youth section, and if you live close to any Unis, see what outreach events their physics/astro departments run. Most will run some sort of public oriented events, whether yearly open day or weekly public talks. If you're near London, then the Ri (Royal Institution) run public lectures all year round, not just at Xmas! Further south, the Intech science centre (near Winchester) have a planetarium and run excellent series of talks. Further north, in Leicester there's the National Space Centre too.

Hullygully · 17/05/2011 20:21

No. Look at Leonardo. He is ds's role model. It's our fault, we took him to Clos Luce and Vinci at a tender age. But that aside, I agree, we never used to have this insistence on a single monomaniacal pursuit.

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Bue · 17/05/2011 19:47

Out of curiosity I just asked DH this question, who has an MPhys with a space science concentration and is a physics teacher. He reeled it off automatically - maths, further maths and physics, exactly what everyone else has said. Then a fourth subject that the student enjoys - I'm sure your son could do whatever he likes and be fine. DH said if someone is really keen on the sciences then perhaps they'd do a fourth in engineering, but really that might be overkill. A bit of breadth is no bad thing, is it?!

Hullygully · 17/05/2011 15:52

Oh good.

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hogsback · 17/05/2011 15:50

Oh, just saw that you mentioned Music - that would be excellent too.

Hullygully · 17/05/2011 15:49

thanks again.

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hogsback · 17/05/2011 15:46

I think Philosophy and Ethics would be excellent for any scientist.

With scientists under scrutiny like never before, ethics is becoming an increasingly important part of all science courses, and of course philosophy of science has been available as a module on most science courses for decades.

Hullygully · 17/05/2011 15:42

Thanks, I've orderd them.

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hogsback · 17/05/2011 15:41

He really shouldn't be doing a non-core A-level that he would struggle with as it might affect his core subjects. I'm afraid I'm not familiar with Critical Thinking as an A-level - it may be useful but you should check it isn't regarded as a soft option.

Chemistry is the other option but a bit predictable.

A bright 14-yr old will be able to cope with all the books I've listed. Rhodes is a bit daunting (900 pages) but you can dip in and out very easily.

Hullygully · 17/05/2011 15:34

Oh, there is philosophy and ethics - is that any good?

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Hullygully · 17/05/2011 15:33

I don't think it does, just silly old critical thinking.

MFLs really are utterly out of the question (for my sanity as well as his). What else? What about music?

I'll tell him about the salaries, but he really struggles with languages. He tries his hardest but oh dear lord.

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Hullygully · 17/05/2011 15:31

Oh thanks! I've just ordered Schro's Cat and E=MC squared.

Are they 14 yr old-ish?

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hogsback · 17/05/2011 15:30

Hully - does the school/college offer Philosophy? Would be much better than History IMHO.

Personally I would always recommend an MFL as hard scientists with languages basically get to name their salaries when they enter the job market - I should know as I have to pay the smartarse little sods :)

hogsback · 17/05/2011 15:26

A few more book suggestions:

  • Surely you're joking Mr Feynman! - Richard Fenyman
  • QED: The strange theory of light and matter - Richard Feynman
  • The making of the Atomic Bomb (don't be put off, it's actually the history of 20th century physics) - Richard Rhodes
  • Cosmos - Carl Sagan
  • Flatland - anonymous
Hullygully · 17/05/2011 15:19

History for a fourth?

If he had to do an mfl he would rip his own head off. He does concepts, not words.

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hogsback · 17/05/2011 15:17

Maths, Further Maths and Physics absolutely. An MFL or something like Philosophy would be great for a 4th A-level.

Imperial, Oxford, Cambridge (Natural Sciences), Manchester, Warwick, Edinburgh, UCL, Birmingham.

If looking abroad then MIT, Harvard, Stanford, Caltech, UChicago, Groningen, Utrecht, Wurzburg, Leipzig, Gothenburg, Lund off the top of my head.

Hullygully · 17/05/2011 15:04

Ta. Maths, maths and more maths then.

Mad - ds has been to some observing sessions in the local observatory on his own, but he said that everyone else was 100 and talked at him at enormous length. I'll make him go again.

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rainbowrain · 17/05/2011 15:02

Durham, Warwick, bristol are also very good.
For a lot of good universities, further maths is literally essential (and its looking that way for engineering as well, which previously it was only seen that it was essential for maths degrees) though unis dont normally specify it as they know not every college offers it, but if its offered is a good idea. (though i think your DS will choose it anyway if he is interested in physics and maths) in my first year the material in further maths was literally assumed knowledge and lecturers went through that material VERY quickly. so having it pre-uni is always an advantage.
some of those books, like a brief history of time will be easier to get into once hes done GCSE. there are many 'fun' physics books out there too that are good, like the 'why does x happen' type books.
the main thing is having a good maths base and enthusiasm!

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