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Should I send my DD to an academic school when she is 'average' ?

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crunched · 11/03/2011 11:26

I was all set to send my DD3 to the school her brother attends which I believe to be a solid, happy place, when I recieved a call saying she has won a place at the local single-sex, academic,high school. The high school told us she 'snuck' in from the waiting list, on which she was in 15th position.
DD3 is delighted as my eldest daughter went to this school and she has always wanted to follow her.DD1 is more switched on academicaly, she loved the school and did well, but as the girls are so different, I don't want to go on DD1 experiences. I'm not saying DD3 is in any way lacking, she is articulate and creative, just pretty average at the 'three Rs'.
I would really appreciate advice if you or your DD/DS went to a school where they started at the lower ability end. Did it pull up your levels or did it demoralise you?
She is quite keen on sports and music and I don't want these interests to dissolve because she is constantly stressful about keeping up with the others. Equally, I don't want to give her the message I don't believe she can suceed anywhere if she sets her mind to it.
Confused

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Blu · 11/03/2011 13:51

I thought that research has actually disproved the comonly held belief that girls do better in single, boys in mixed sex groups?

But I would expect individual children to have different preferences and responses to that, anyway.

Punkatheart · 11/03/2011 13:48

My daughter went to a single sex academic school for several years. We had a horrible experience and she was very unhappy. We changed school in January and I did cry when she told me 'Mummy, I don't feel stupid any more.' This new school is mixed sex, still good academically but so much more holistic.

However, there are children considered average who really will be improved by being pushed. I think it very insulting to tell you she 'snuck in' - that type of insensitivity (which we had in spades at my DD"s previous school) may give you an indication of their academic snobbery.

I would disagree in part with the research about single sex schools. What is the argument? That they are less distracted? Most girls at my DD's previous school obsessed with boys just the same. My daughter's current school really works on teaching them to have kind and non-toxic relationships with boys - they are not aliens. If you take very academic girls and squeeze 'em - of course the results will be better. Also sorry but my daughter's last school was TERRIBLE with art and creativity. They could choose art OR music at GCSE and the headmistress told me that generally, art was a waste of time. Lucky that Babs Hepworth or any other artist of note went there then!

You know your child best. I understand the dilemma though - it's awful...

EllenJane1 · 11/03/2011 13:37

I hate to say it as a socialist who really believes in proper comprehensives without the top creamed off by grammars (and with 3 boys)...but girls do get more opportunities in single sex schools and are more likely to do 'boy' subjects such as physical sciences etc. Boys actually do better in mixed ed generally. The girls' influence is good for them, but girls?

crazymum53 · 11/03/2011 13:25

We found research from the Good Schools Guide really helpful. They have a good argument in that girls of average ability tend to do better at single sex schools. Also girls' schools tend to cater better for creative subjects. Try not to compare you 2 dds - most good schools will recognise their differences and nurture their talents.

Blu · 11/03/2011 12:57

Oh, don't cry! Smile

What does SHE want to do?

I would go with that.

crunched · 11/03/2011 12:36

Thanks all - I think I worry that the success of those at these so called 'high achieving schools' is down to the type of parents, not the type of children and I'm not sure I can go through all the palaver again. My DSs school is so laid back and friendly.
... and I feel guilty I'm lucky enough to be in a position to choose between two great schools. Like you 1234, I went to the local comp and left to sink or swim, but did it do us any harm?

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GrimmaTheNome · 11/03/2011 12:23

If she's hugely enthusiastic to go, let her. If she sees it as being that shes won the place, and its her choice, she'll be motivated to do her best.

What message would it give her if you overrode her choice and sent her to the other school?

busymummy3 · 11/03/2011 12:17

crunched I agree with Blu and your last sentence "but if she were my first child and not my third wouldnt I be up for the challenge and back her all the way " to me speaks volumes. I think she must have done extremely well to be 15th on the list anyway and who is to know how many marks there were between her and the last child who got admitted? I think it is only natural to compare our children but if she is over the moon and always wanted to go there I would let her go. At the end of the day if she does find it hard I am sure that if it is a good school they will be able to reassure her and support her. Good Luck

1234ThumbWar · 11/03/2011 12:15

I was an average child sent to a large comp and was left to rot, I wouldn't think twice about sending my average child to an academic school.

She will rise to the challenge.

crunched · 11/03/2011 12:11

yes tryingtoleave- she is hugely enthusiastic and maybe, with maturity she will thrive like you did Smile

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crunched · 11/03/2011 12:07

Oh Blu, you have brought tears to my eyes!
You are right I suppose, in saying she must be reasonably bright to have got in at all.
She is a perfectionist and tends to stress about everything from essays to her hair.... I do worry about 'doing her down'because maybe it is me- just feel I can't cope with her inevitable moods when things go wrong, and more things could go wrong-friendships, results,team places- at the High school, than the co-ed (faith-based) school.But if she were my first child and not my third, wouldn't I be up for the challenge and back her all the way?

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tryingtoleave · 11/03/2011 12:00

I went to a selective school and I know some of the girls who were at the lower end felt that they had missed out on opportunities they might have had at other schools - being on the debating team, or stuff like that. Tbh, I'm not sure if they would have been the top anywhere.

As for me, I did badly in the first few years ( I think today I would have been diagnosed with add ) but did really well in the last few years and thrived in the academic environment. I'm so glad I went to that school.

Also, I don't think whether she got in on the waiting list or with the first offers is a predictor of future success. If she is keen to go, I would send her and hopefully her enthusiasm will help her along.

Blu · 11/03/2011 11:49

And don't forget that lots of people use the 'don't put them in if you think they might struggle' line to try and ward off the competition for their own possibly borderline case Wink

Blu · 11/03/2011 11:44

If she's passed the test to get in, and would enjoy the wider environment, then why not? Especially as she may excel in sport and music at that school?

if she hates academic work, has a very uninterested attitude to learning, or is a perfectionist who couldn't cope with others sometimes doing better, then it may not suit - for it's academic or competitive emphasis (if it has one).

How does she feel about the single-sex school?

Don't do her down just because she is not as academically whizzing as her sister - she can't be 'average' if she passed the test, and the oversubscription for an academic selective school will have been huge - someone 15th on the waiting list will be v v close to the last 10 who got in on the forst ist, I bet you. The selective school in our area has a variation of about 3% within the test results that gain admission!

crunched · 11/03/2011 11:42

Thanks Pag - it was definatly a 'you are very lucky to get this offer' type call. Might just be the admissions department with an unfortunate manner?

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Pagwatch · 11/03/2011 11:36

I wouldn't send my child to a school where she had 'snuck' in.

I know someone has to be at the bottom level of ability in any environment. But I would not chose it for my child iyswim.

Actually dd was offered two places. One was a ' hooray, come join us' offer. The other was ' well....after thinking about it...'
We took the yee- ha school.

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