Independent or grammar school

Some selective independents are less selective than others and offer a sibling discount on fees.

Of course, for some of us Grammar is not an option as they were scrapped in our county

It totally depends on the school. We wouldn't get our dc into our only local grammar school as it doesn't take the top however many pass the exam, it sets a pass mark then selects in order of being Catholic, attending a Catholic primary, in cathment etc.

However I am not sure I would send them there anyway as it is very pushy academically. I prefer the ethos of the selective independedent school attached to the dc's junior school.

The Catholic grammar used to be private and still has a private prep oddly enough.

selective independents definitely don't have a sibling policy.

I don't think selective independent schools have a sibling policy either. It would rather defeat the object of being a selective school!

Grammar schools do not have sibling policies, whereas many indies do. Therefore if you would like your dc to attend the same school (and money was no object) you may select an indie.

It is quite common for one child in a family to pass the 11 plus, and another to not.

They don't make lower offers to Grammar school pupils.

I don't think universities make lower offers to GS pupils but there are some who might believe a pupil from a GS might have more potential than a pupil from a public school. When my daughter moved from a Grammar to a Private school in the 6th form, she was amazed at the amount of hand holding and input into course work from the teachers, this is not what a good university would necessarily look for in a potential candidate.

made her consider..

I think it depends on the schools and the child in question.

However, one of the big reasons we went private from 4 was the breadth of education as, at the time, our local 'outstanding' graded primary was a hot house of academic pushiness. IME, a lot (not all) grammar schools are also like this with a very academic outlook.

If it's all about academic results and getting into university then chose a grammar if available. For me, with 3kids, two fairly bright and one who is exceptionally able, I wanted to avoid that as DD1 especially needed an environment that stretched her sideways.
I don't want her pushed into 5Alevels followed by medicine or law. I'd rather she was somewhere that maid her consider other options.

IME, very academic state secondaries push very able children into taking traditional Alevels and applying for medicine, law or accountancy.

So, to the OP, I'm just saying that not everyone is looking for the same thing.

I would be AMAZED if universities make lower offers to children at grammar schools.

They might, very understandably, to children from disadvantaged backgrounds at challenging schools, but not grammars.

mommyG - some universities have a policy to make lower offers to children from state schools. But these tend to be low achieving state schools, so grammar school students don't necessarily benefit from that.

Cerainly my friend who is an admissions prof at Oxbridge would consider pupils from independent schools or grammar as advantaged as each other.

That said, the research shows that independently educated children are utterly over represented at RG unis, particularly Oxbridge.
And again in certain spheres of employment - law, finance, media, academia, business, they remain over represented.

Grammar schools however, outperform any othe type of state school in terms of representation in both those too.
As well they should, I supoose, seeing as they are academically selective.

massive - my two indie kids know many a choice word too lol.

I suspect much of the shock at moving from indie to state at 11, is less about the funding, and more about going to secondary school, any secondary school.

I could be wrong.

my dc at both independent and state swear as much as eachother (proud mummy moment NOT )

me too seeker

I would go for grammar because I'm a statie. But I wouldn't necessarily be that delighted about it - I went to a grammar school and although I am grateful for my great education, it really was pretty dull in quite a lot of areas, with the stellar exceptions of music and English.

Have encountered parents who are shocked to discover the extent of difference between grammar and independent. One parent I know, whose child attended a prep school formerly, had lots of complaints initially about the grammar

• the 'rough and tumble' of 30 in a class
• bad language heard in the playground
• teachers not lunching with the pupils
• less supervision
• lack of individual approach to her dc's behaviour

It took her as much time to get used to the school as her dc.

Of DC's sixty strong year six, only one girl and one boy tried for grammar.
So I guess many of the other parents felt like us.

We went for independent. It just seemed more rounded in terms of arts and sports (as well it should for the £££, I guess).
The class iszes were smaller.
The pastoral care seemed better.
DD like it better.
Also it was nearer.

If money had been an issue though, am sure we would have been more grammar friendly. Not going to pretend otherwise.

I agree that it is the teacher/pupil ratio and potentially the additional extra-curricular/other opportunities that would sway in the direction of the private school

I'm leaning towards private because I am happy to pay for a better teacher/pupil ratio, more experienced teachers, better facilities and more extra-curricular opportunities, especially trips. I'm also slightly concerned that at some point either pupil funding will be cut or some other political edict will mean a fundamental change to the grammar school or its curriculum. I'm also happy that the independent schools are not forced into the league tables, so that pupils can take a variety of exams at ages and times that suit them.

Also locally if you have passed the grammar tests then there is a reasonably high chance that you will be offered a scholarship by the independent schools .

I have to say that whilst the brightest boys may end up at the grammar, it is interesting to look at the uni destinations and subject choices, as well as the eventual career paths taken by the pupils in each school.

We had this decision to make (except we have a bright girl ) - DH agonised a bit over whether the independent school (also academically selective though less so) did have any 'added value'. We decided that the only things they really had were an outdoor centre in the Lakes, and a boat - but with what we'd save we can fund a heck of a lot of adventure activities and sailing holidays for DD (and us!). The class sizes were not significantly different.

Of DDs cohort, not one of those who got a GS place ended up turning it down, even though the GSs in some cases present transport difficulties.

Because we would have been happy with either choice DDs preference was added to the mix - she liked the independent but loved the grammar. If she'd had strong feelings the other way we might have followed her instincts - she's a sensible girl. When you go round schools some just feel wrong, others ok, others right - so that may be one of the reasons for the choices the OP has observed.

Some Grammar schools, maybe only focused on the academic, and independent schools are not always purely chosen on academic results, they are chosen for value added, music opportunities, sport facilities. etc.