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DS, Y7- pls suggest how to structure homework so it doesn't overwhelm us!

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ampere · 11/09/2010 16:48

DS1 started secondary last week. It's a comp and quite high achieving, hence it is nose to the grindstone, Day One.

The homework to date has been covering exercise books, a poster to promote RE.. a poster to promote Lab Safety, plus some proper maths and proper English. We supposedly get at least 2 evenings in which to do any piece of homework- it is usually to be returned in the next period of that subject which'd be at least 2 days hence, sometimes a week.

The school say they give 2 days to allow DCs to do other things like Scouts, which is fine BUT so far, in less than a complete school week, he has had at least 2 half hour things to do every night! So even on Scout evening he had to do at least one homework task so as not to be overwhelmed!-which of course means THREE things the next night. Sigh.

Now, I know I can't change this but I want some advice please:

What do your DCs do when they get home? (3.15pm for both mine) Neither of my 2 are the type to break out and go mad with a football or go for a 20 minute bike ride, which is a pity- they want to slump in front of the TV with a drink and a snack, which I guess is OK, BUT...

What time would you start the homework thing? 4pm?

Do you time them per subject to avoid them struggling on for 'hours'?

Do you make them do it all as they bring it home even if it is 3 subjects on the assumption it should mean only one subject one other night (hope!) and even if some isn't due back for a week?

When do yours do weekend homework? Friday night? Saturday morning?.. of course bearing in mind that other stuff gets in the way and nothing can be carved in stone!

All advice listened to, but the old 'It'll fizzle out in a month/ don't worry about it' is most certainly not the case!

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fsmail · 19/09/2010 10:08

Roisin, I would agree and leave the kids to organise but take an interest in what they are doing but not in teacher mode.

tokyonambu · 18/09/2010 14:17

"NEVER use comic sans or similar!"

See, of course, here.

roisin · 18/09/2010 10:52

"You will find out if DC not doing hw at secondary school apparently because the school will be quick to tell you."

I think that depends very much on the school and the individual teachers tbh.

I do like my boys to be independent and get on and manage their own work. But I still monitor their planners and exercise books closely, so that I know what they're up to.

fsmail · 18/09/2010 10:17

Perhaps I am lucky to have a DS who is concientious because he is currently in Yr 6 and my DH and I have taken the decision to stop reminding him about homework because he will be at secondary school next year.

When we started last year we had a few tears at night with a memory of homework and hasty work done in the morning but now in Year 6, he is doing it on his own with help from us when he asks for it. He is an eager to please kid though who hates being late for anything to phobic proportions to the point that he gets himself ready in the morning and to the bus stop rather than waiting for my DH and my DD who are chronically late for everything. Hopefully this should carry on in Year 7. I spotted some work he was doing the other night which was really good. There is a preconceived idea that boys are lazy but that is all it is a preconceived idea and the more parents fall for it, the more boys will be. Quite often boys are worse at GCSE level but really come into their own at A Level. Interestingly my sister's boy is the same and the girl is disorganised.

You will find out if DC not doing hw at secondary school apparently because the school will be quick to tell you.

bigTillyMint · 18/09/2010 09:30

Thanks roisin - DD has a homework to make a poster of something on publisher, so I'll show her the tips Smile

cory · 18/09/2010 00:24

Ds' homework has been looked after since Yr 4 by the simple threat of lunchtime detention, but I suspect as he goes onto secondary next year that I will have to look into those parental time management sessions (aka nagging) as doing a project over a period of two months is not quite the same as doing a sheet of maths.

pointydog · 17/09/2010 21:55

We remind the dds after tea (about 6.30ish) because that's a good time to get in an hour of homework if needed. We can usually help them then if necessary.

Also, if we know they have homework and remind them after tea, I can syggest they don't go out to play with friends that evening.

roisin · 17/09/2010 21:33

Ampere - the boys do get quite a few poster homeworks, but I don't mind really. Some people think they're a cop out, but I don't know why.

Students have to revise information, retrieve it, sequence and order it, collate it, sort and select it, and then present it in an effective manner. It's a great way of consolidating learning in the class or of demonstrating what they've learned through a research task IMO.

roisin · 17/09/2010 21:30

bigTillyMint
Simple tips for attractive posters:
Choose and use one font only. (Possibly one other for a major title or a specific purpose, if you really have to.)
Maximum of 3 different font sizes, preferably 2.
Use blank space effectively - this can make your poster look far more attractive than just filling every space with text/pictures.
Choose a simple colour scheme - two main complementary colours and stick with them: don't be tempted to get too fussy.
Make sure all images used are high quality
NEVER use "rainbow" colour fill - looks very tacky
NEVER use comic sans or similar!

roisin · 17/09/2010 21:27

Ampere: yes definitely. We gave ds1 a lot of support in yr7 in getting himself organised, sorting out his stuff and getting on and completing his homework properly to a high standard. (As we are now for ds2 in yr7).

Now (yr9), ds1's pretty much independent and gets on and sorts himself out. I do keep a very close eye on the homework diary and check through his exercise books that he is working hard in class as well.

Yaer 7 really is the time to establish good routines with homework, then hopefully they'll carry them on right through school.

4paws · 17/09/2010 21:15

Fascinating stuff. As someone whose bum always hit the sofa first, and eventually did homework after dinner, when I was far too tired, it's useful to learn some better methods!

GrimmaTheNome · 17/09/2010 19:47

ampere, you're right - the homework in primary did need me nagging parental input, until DD got more self motivated and at least vaguely aware of time in year 6.

I'm glad her school did that, some parents complained about hw (mind you, some wanted more in the early years) but it was useful breaking-in. Yes, if your DC haven't had this thrust at them early you probably will have to guide them more now.

webwiz · 17/09/2010 16:52

I completely agree with your post Ampere DS needed a lot of help in year 7 on how to decide which pieces of homework to do first, how to handle a larger project (the dreadful oh it doesn't have to be in for weeks) and how to actually get stuck into a piece of work. Now in Year 9 he just gets on with it independently so he did need to be taught those skills.

DD2 needed no help whatsoever and continues to be "little miss organised" but DD1 needed the same sort of guidance as her younger brother. Unfortunately by Year 9 she had decided that she wasn't a homework kind of person Hmm and so you can imagine what the GCSE years were like in our house!

WilfShelf · 17/09/2010 16:13

DH and I have negotiated a flexible working deal with our boss, so we're doing 2/3 days a week each, but we work from home after picking kids up anyway (so now they're having a break but in a minute DS1 is going to get an hour's HW done...); and I am sitting here working (with the odd MN moment in between) and will also work most evenings to catch up on stuff I might have missed after 3...

Soon I'm going to get a babysitter to pick DS2 up one day a week and supervise DS1's HW so that DH and I are covering 2 days a week each.

It seemed important for DS1 that he could come home and do his stuff and have someone here, and because we have another boy in school, and another one who'll start in reception next year, we're ALWAYS gonna have to work out what to do at 3.15, for years. So I am hoping this arrangement will work out for us, though it will mean much more evening/weekend work. DH and I are VERY lucky to have the kind of jobs/managers with that kind of flexibility though...

ampere · 17/09/2010 13:43

happystressedmum- indeed! I get in at 6 to 6.15pm 2 nights a week- I have to rely on my own mum who looks after the DSs til 5.30pm to get the homework ball rolling! Not always easy as she is of the opinion that 'Childhood is for play' (read: HOURS or Wii with a bit of back-yard badminton thrown in.). I would like to agree with her but unfortunately in our stress driven world, there are detentions for un-done homework and no jobs and few prospects for DCs with lacklustre GCSEs!

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ampere · 17/09/2010 13:38

I am seeing a bit of a pattern here, on the one hand:

Parents whose DCs don't seem to need any actual help in STRUCTURING their homework time management due to one or several of these factors:

  • being in a private school where the school manage homework via in-school 'prep'
  • having been at a primary/prep school where a heavy homework burden was imposed at an early age thus I would guess with considerable parental input the DC learned by 7 the need to Get On With It thus didn't find themselves 'up against it' at 11
  • having naturally motivated/industrious/conscientious/possibly anxious to please DCs who do as they're told when they're told it
  • having girls (reaches for tin helmet!),

And on the other hand:

Parents whose DCs need to be taught the art of time management or being encouraged to remember all the lessons they have already had in that art; whose DCs need help in structuring a piece of work (that daunting piece of blank paper, that sort of remembered instruction from class..); whose DCs need to be brought around to the idea of the 'importance' of homework- perhaps harder to impart when it's sticking pictures on an exercise book Smile...

So whilst I take on board the 'You must never get involved with your DC's homework' tack, as I know my DS, I know that though he'll usually try to do it to the best of his ability, he'd soon give up in frustration, confidence dented- but would be far better placed to turn in a reasonable piece of work which he could be proud of if I input some strategies, help him come up with some ideas, (which is very different to telling him what to do!), help him experiment with layouts, ask him to tell me in his own words what he's trying to get across then suggest ways he might structure that.

I would love him to be able to do the TV/ snack/drink then homework for an hour, hour and a half- more or less independent of me, but my hope is that in helping DS now, 2 weeks into Y7, by Y8 and 9, he will be confident about tackling it alone having learned, from us, ways of coping with it!

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happystressedmum · 17/09/2010 13:09

Interesting thread but do ANY of you work until 6pm and get home at 7pm and then have to tackle the homework/food/shower/prep for the next day (and have a toddler who wants all of the attention)?

My son is only in year 4 and gets quite a lot of homework and he also does alot of sport afterschool and we are struggling with fitting everything in? In fact by Friday evening we all are exhausted (and then have a football match at 9.30 on Saturday)!

Wottknott · 17/09/2010 11:01

Agree with what chibi said at the start.

Most teachers.schools set a target time of 20 to 30 mins per piece, if a child is spending longer, find out why and resolve it with the school or child. That's my suggestion.

And I'm not suggesting that this is the case, but a child doing homework in front of a TV, or while on Facebook will take at least 3 times as long.

They do the homework as they get it, if it goes over 1.5 they leave it till the next day. Some days they have very little, some days more, they have to time manage themselves.

FrogPrincess · 17/09/2010 10:43

Dd has been used to having HW at junior school, so no great shock here. She seems determined to organise herself well though so that she has time for playing/relaxing, etc. She has 2 pieces of HW a night, about 30mn each in theory.
She gets in around 4.30, 4.40pm (but has 2 hours of theatre group on mondays and another hour on thursday after school, so has to plan for that), slumps in front of the TV for a bit, then goes to do HW, then shower, music practice, dinner, play.... It is rather busy but she knows it all needs to be done and she has already planned that she will do most of her HW tonight. This is only the first week, though......

bigTillyMint · 17/09/2010 09:43

Lucky you, lullabybaby. I'd love to be completely hands off.

DD is a very conscientious child, and is beginning to take more responsibility in deciding how to go about getting all her homework done in time, but she is looking to us for guidance and reassurance.

And it's only the end of week 2.

lullabybaby · 17/09/2010 08:41

Structure homework? sounds horrible.

My DC are teenagers, apart from helping with spelling, reading and times tables in early primary years DH and I have only got involved with their homework when they have asked for help. Youngsters have to learn the big lesson: it is they who must structure their homework, not mummy, if they want to succeed.

DS is off to uni in a week or so - and there is absolutely no way I could have possibly helped him get his A* in maths, let alone the further maths, physics and chemistry...

ampere · 17/09/2010 08:24

As the OP, can I ask, regarding doing posters (of which DS has now completed 3 or 4!) if it's likely to be ongoing? As in can he expect to be producing posters throughout his secondary school life? Or is it a 'ease the Y7's into the concept of homework' only thing?

TIA

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HSMM · 17/09/2010 07:45

inthesticks - I agree with what you said about being unsure just how much they are supposed to write sometimes. My DD had some homework about solids, liquids and gasses. It was really unclear whether they wanted a couple of sentences, to show a basic understanding, or more in depth 'stuff'.

She gets home from school on the bus at 4, has a snack and does her homework until it's all done. She resisted at first, but now realises that she is probably going to have a free weekend, because all the homework is out the way.

Our problem night is Wednesdays, when she leaves for dancing as soon as she gets home and doesn't get home til 9pm. Luckily this week, she had some reading to do, so she took that in the car (where she also are her snack).

roisin · 17/09/2010 07:15

tokyonambu Grin Grin
I actually agree completely, but as we - along with the majority of the world - have succumbed to the brainwashing and world-domination of the Microsoft Corporation, it isn't often an option.

I will do a quick summary of poster tips later tonight or tomorrow bigtillymint. (Nothing world-shattering: don't get your hopes up!)

bigTillyMint · 17/09/2010 06:09

roisin, we could have done with your poster tips last week! Please can you give us your top tips in anticipation of further poster homeworks?

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