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Government drawing up plans to help relocate the unemployed

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fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 27/06/2010 08:22

Does anyone else find this a bit scary? Or is it a good idea?

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mumblechum · 28/06/2010 12:05

I just got an email from our county court saying that the counter service (usually 9am to 4pm) has been cut to 9-2.

Thin edge of the wedge I tell you.

Prolesworth · 28/06/2010 12:03

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vesela · 28/06/2010 11:59

I know re. public transport cuts.

Fucking Labour.

sorry am only in the mood for swearing.

mumblechum · 28/06/2010 11:57

Prolesworth, I'm not sure that saying the poorest 10% shouldn't pay anything as they didn't do anything wrong is really accurate.

Of course they didn't do anything wrong, but government overspending on things like virtually universal tax credits, and encouraging the poor to get into unaffordable debt has certainly contributed to the mess.

All this thing about the poor blaming the rich and the rich blaming the poor isn't going to solve the problem.

The rich have to (and already are) paying more tax. The poor are going to find services and benefits cut. Everyone will take a hit one way or another.

sarah293 · 28/06/2010 11:53

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Prolesworth · 28/06/2010 11:35

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vesela · 28/06/2010 11:33

If the UK wants to drown in debt then there's nothing stopping it.

Prolesworth · 28/06/2010 11:32

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toccatanfudge · 28/06/2010 11:21

daphne - do those small 3 bedroom houses starting at £800 accept housing benefit? And what is the LHA rate for a 3 bedroom house in your area?

vesela · 28/06/2010 11:20

prolesworth - it is making it worse. But what else is there?

vesela · 28/06/2010 11:19

are you blind to the size of the deficit, though? how is it going to go away? it can't happen just through growth. The debt itself doesn't begin to even reduce until 2015 under this plan.

toccatanfudge · 28/06/2010 11:17

daphne - you're obviously better at maths than me - the interest rate they use is 6.08% no idea what that works out at per month

  • and also if you claimed for JSA after the 5th of January last year then you can only get the help for 2yrs. So it's not "long term"
Prolesworth · 28/06/2010 11:16

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vesela · 28/06/2010 11:13

I've read what the IFS says, and it isn't good re. the high marginal rates of tax or the regressiveness of the VAT.

Labour FUCKED UP.

daphnedill · 28/06/2010 11:13

Paying mortgage interest of £900 per month isn't that incredible. I only know the approximate figures (and haven't got time to look them up), but my back of envelope calculation reckons that's about right for a £200k interest-only mortgage. In my area that would just about pay for a very small 3 bed house. Rents for 3 bed houses (which are in any case like gold dust) start at £800 per month according to Rightmove.

PS. Could somebody confirm that mortgage interest is paid after 3 months. I was told it was 6 months when I was unemployed earlier this year - and nobody was very helpful about how to claim.

toccatanfudge · 28/06/2010 11:11

housing benefit "caps" (so those stuck in high rental houses are going to have to find the money to pay the extra or to move)

Housing benefit cut by 10% if you're been on JSA for 12 months (and this applies to EVERYONE - so LP's in an area that's mostly shift work jobs with non-existent "out of hours" childcare are going to be hit)

I know there was more - but I can't remember them off the top of my head

Prolesworth · 28/06/2010 11:10

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vesela · 28/06/2010 11:09

It hits the poor because it has to cut spending, which is going to hit the poor. It is horrible.

and where is the benefit scrounger rhetoric that's being bandied about?

vesela · 28/06/2010 11:07

Prolesworth - because they don't see any other way forward with a deficit this size. Not that people aren't unhappy about the VAT increase, they are, but if it didn't happen what else would bring in the revenue/have to be cut?

Prolesworth · 28/06/2010 11:07

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vesela · 28/06/2010 11:05

where was the benefit fraud rhetoric in the budget? Cameron specifically said you couldn't cut the deficit by eliminating benefit fraud.

Prolesworth · 28/06/2010 11:02

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vesela · 28/06/2010 11:00

(any rhetoric from the government, that is - not from judgey people on here...)

Prolesworth · 28/06/2010 10:59

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vesela · 28/06/2010 10:57

no, I don't think there's any benefit scroungers rhetoric. Where has there been any?

Benefit "scroungers" aren't much of a problem, IMO - yes, I'm sure there's some benefit fraud, but it pales into insignificance in the face of the wider financial situation.

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