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Kenneth Clarke - Secretary Of Justice WHY, was'nt he at the heart of the BSE scandal?

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Beaaware · 21/05/2010 15:36

Many of us remember the BSE scandal and corruption back in the 80's and 90's when Mr.Clarke was the Minister of Health from 1982 - 1985 then the Health Secretary 1988 - 1990, it beggars belief that Kenneth Clarke can take on the role of Justice Minister when nobody has been made accountable for the hundreds of deaths from the Human Form Of Mad Cows disease (vCJD), nobody has been bought to justice for these unavoidable, unlawful deaths, does this man have no integrity, honesty,transparency or moral code?
How can we trust this man who did nothing to stop the lethal pathogens from continually entering the food and medicine chain from 1985 - 1996 (era of corruption).
One death from vCJD is one death to many.
There is no hope for open and honest politics when such a person is given so much power, he should resign!

www.justiceforandy.com

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edam · 06/08/2011 20:08

Thanks for reminding us of this terrible scandal. Fact is, the then government chose to hush up the scandal to protect industry. They knew there were huge risks to human health but chose to ignore them and chose to lie to the public. Their wrongdoing has caused terrible suffering for the families affected.

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Beaaware · 30/07/2011 22:56

Irhad Rivzo aged 24 died from Human Mad Cows Disease (vCJD) on 26th July 2011.
Irhad contracted vCJD in the UK, he moved here in 1992 from Bosnia, he was an only child.
Another innocent victim of the BSE scandal, how many more must suffer this manmade lethal disease?

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watfordmummy · 20/04/2011 11:18
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guss · 20/04/2011 11:12

Hi all you out there looking for answers to how BSE in Cattle becomes nvCJD in humans. It has nothing to do with the humble "Beef Burger" as stated in the inquest on Stephen Churchill the first known human victim.

You cannot get nvCJD from eating infected meat not even if you ate the entire infected animal. nvCJD does transmit to humans from BSE but not through ingestion.

The crucial point to know however is that the UK authorities,perhaps Kenneth Clarke knew this from the outset.

The Over-Thirty-Month was a diversion that it was hoped would minimise the impact. Falsely state that only older animals Over-Thirty-Months could pass on the disease would totally protect if accepted the beef meat market. All beef are by that age on your dinner plate. Falsely claim that dairy products cannot transmit the disease and that market remains secure. Get the EU to pick up the bill for the dairy herd and "Bobs your Uncle" No cost solution.

Unfortunately no-one believed the nonsense that an animal 29 months could be safely eaten (there were may full blown cases down to 19 months) but one 31 months couldn't . The bottom fell out of the UK beef market and the result was more deaths from farmers through suicide occasioned by the severe economic conditions than from the incurable disease itself.

I know that the UK are hiding the true facts and have spent many hours in police cells and months in prison because of my efforts to expose this.The authorities are prepared to employ any method criminal or otherwise to conceal the truth behind 200+ deaths and the infections of many 1,000's of others.

I do not know what that truth is but to monitor the activities of a single mother like Christine Lord who lost her son and have a security file on her suggests that this is not just the health ministry and rural payments industry that are involved in this cover-up.

I have 7 tapes that purport to be of a conversation between me and government officials the only purpose of that conversation was to find out why the authorities were not preventing the millions of Over-Thirty_months animals that they knew were evading the regulations. If one beef burger infected with BSE could cause nvCJD ( the inquest verdict in Stephen Churchill) why did they allow the equivalent of 600 million quarter pounders into the system when simple procedures could have prevented it. They did not want to answer because the beef burger was not to blame but neither did they want me to pursue my enquiries.

Having first falsified the tapes ( yes falsified the tapes) they advised that no enquiry into breaches of the regulations would commence until I confirmed the accuracy of the tapes. I could not do so and well they knew it. My interview ended at 12:30pm the final tape ends when I am at home talking to my wife 20 miles away at 3:30pm. The police (who prefer not to be involved but will happily "Bang me up in Clink) have never even asked my wife to confirm this nor even my son. Ebven though I have subjected myself to a "Lie Detector" test which confirms that I was not in an interview situation beyond 12:30 pm

To conceal what really lies behind the BSE/nvCJD scandal the tape recording of a 3 hour conversation has been professionally altered with the first half hour removed and the remaining two and a half hours extended to five hours to invite a charge of libel so that i will be forced to abandon my concerns.

Probably done by the same people who have the file on Christine Lord. That shows just how desperate the authorities are to conceal the truth surrounding this deadly incurable disease and who is responsible for killing 200+ people as many farmers and infecting 10,000 people as carriers.

See latest Justice4Andy.com. Christine has this week sent me other details of a definite cover-up.

It's someone else's kids this time. It could be yours next time. We can name at least 10 people at the Rural Payments agency who definitely know the truth and if as Health Secretary the truth was with held from Kenneth Clarke he now has no excuse as Justice secretary not to find out and prosecute those people behind this appalling scandal.

I'll be back inside soon. Hope to receive cake laced with a few files.

Guss

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Beaaware · 08/03/2011 09:20

Ken, here is another poor victim, the legacy lives on:

JONATHON SIMMS AGED 25 FROM BELFAST, DIED 5TH MARCH 2011 FROM THE HUMAN FORM OF MAD COWS DISEASE.

Poor young lad, was a promising footballer, his family are devastated.

more names to follow as more are being diagnosed

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Beaaware · 31/01/2011 22:48

John Johnson of Malvern, Worcestershire aged 49 died from the human form of mad cow's disease January 2011.Sad

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newwave · 14/11/2010 21:11

Beaaware, you stick with it, it wont get you far but thats not always the point.

Blair has caused uncounted deaths with his illegal wars and he to will not be brought to justice.

In my life i have learned that the law does not apply to the rich and powerful.

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Beaaware · 14/11/2010 00:06

Yesterday was the "INTERNATIONAL CJD AWARENESS DAY" I was honoured to meet several families who have lost loved ones to the fatal human form of mad cow disease (vCJD). Many of these families blame the government who led us to believe that beef was safe to eat, John Gummer, Kenneth Clarke were ministers during the BSE crisis, and their role was to look after the interests of the british public, but they failed and in doing so they played russian roulette with the lives of 60 million people. Today we see the sickening results of their actions, lives have been devastated by the human form of mad cow disease (vCJD), a fatal
disease that has wrecked so many lives, at least 8 people a month in the UK are being diagnosed in 2010 with this vCJD.
Thanks to the deliberate lies & corruption by the then ministers & public servants we live with their dishonest decisions, death by mad cow disease. www.justiceforandy.com
I would just like to say to Helen the mother of Zoe Jeffries aged 12 the youngest victim of mad cow disease, it was a pleasure to meet you, I know yesterday was an emotional day for you but you stayed strong, let us hope that those who are responsible for what happened to your child are held accountable.
One death from vCJD is one death too many.
Shame on you Mr.Clarke

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Beaaware · 10/10/2010 12:53

Chil1234, they think the vCJD is linked to an eye operation Irhad had in the UK several years ago, people have contracted vCJD from eye operations, cornea grafts. More people are dying from this but you will not read about it in the papers, not news our government want you to read about, they like you to believe it has gone away, been eradicated somehow, not true. If you talk to families of victims who have died from vCJD many lay the blame on our ministers who were involved at the time of the BSE crisis, I am afraid to say our cuddly Ken was one of those crucial ministers. Would you believe that no one has been made accountable for the deaths of over 240 (still rising)people to date. They knew as early as 1985 that BSE could be transmitted from animals to humans they failed to act and led us all to believe that beef was safe. If your child died from mad cow disease I am sure you would feel totally devastated you would wonder what you had fed him/her was it that beedburger, rump steak, beef in baby food that you gave in between 1985 - 2000? could it be an operation or blood transfuison your child had all those years ago. Think about it, 25 years on, incubation period upto 50 years, you have no idea how many more people are going to die from this. I am not going to stop posting on here just because people think there is no epidemic, I will post as much information as I can to keep some of you ill informed people aware.
One mother I spoke to whose son died earlier this from Mad Cow Disease told me that she fed her son beef when he was a toddler because John Gummer said it was safe, she now knows he was lying.

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Chil1234 · 09/10/2010 17:06

Why are you linking Ken Clarke with this case. A Bosnian that happens to be at university in London? One case, however sad, does not constitute an epidemic. A case where the source of the disease and timing of contraction is unknown cannot be pinned on the actions of any government, British or otherwise.

I also think that if you're trying to raise awareness and get sympathy you're going about it the wrong way.

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Beaaware · 08/10/2010 23:08

I just wanted to update Ken on Irhads condition, he is very very ill, unable to move and is semi-conscious. This time last year Irhad was a 3rd year university student in London, talented guitarist and fit footballer. His life is now totally destroyed as are those of the many victims of the human form of mad cow disease. Here is a link to Irhads mothers appeal for help:

www.bosniaappeal.org/2010/09/help-our-friend-irhad-rizvo/?id=idr1

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Lilymaid · 24/09/2010 22:14

If you want to criticise Ken Clarke for anything, surely it should be his long association with BAT (British American Tobacco)of which he's been a director and Deputy Chairman.
Otherwise, I think he is one of the better politicians (and I am most emphatically not a Conservative) and I don't consider him particularly closely connected with BSE.

Quattrocento · 24/09/2010 22:07

The connection to Ken Clarke is quite remote

Never voted Tory, but KC was an intelligent Chancellor who managed the economy well. (unlike Gordon Brown). Also he's very down to earth and just a bit cuddly. Funny you should be hounding this most likeable of Tories

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Beaaware · 24/09/2010 22:01

Here is another victim of nvCJD, Irhad Rizvo aged just 23 is currently in a London hospital dying from nvCJD, how did Irhad contract nvCJD was it due to an eye operation that he had? It is so sad to see the pictures of Irhad as he is now unable to swallow, his only hope is for an operation in Scotland to slow down the symptons of nvCJD, but unless his mother can afford to pay £16,000 there is little hope that Irhad will survive the devastating onslaught of nvCJD and certain death. My heartfelt prayers go out to Irhad & his mother.

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Beaaware · 23/09/2010 20:38

Well you never know mumsnet seem to have some very influentual politicians on the website or have'nt you noticed? even if just one politician takes a look at this thread at least they will be reminded of what went on during the 80's and 90's, I'll say it again, how on earth can a past minister responsible for the health of our nation be given such a powerful position as justice minister in 2010 when NOBODY had been made accountable for the deaths of so many people from the human form of mad cow disease. Many families are distraught at losing their children to this and see that the blame lies at the door of the ministers responsible for our health during the 80's & 90's. This disease was given to the us through medicine, food, surgical instruments, vaccines and nobody is accountable, it stinks!

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BooBooGlass · 23/09/2010 17:55

Yes, I'm sure old Ken has nothing better to do than peruse Mumsnet all day in the hope of coming across your posts Hmm

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Beaaware · 23/09/2010 17:47

I think we need to be informed about this as dementia is on the increase and in Mr.Stringers case he was thought to have dementia when in fact it was CJD. Every time I read about a victim of vCJD/CJD I shall be putting it on here in the hope that Mr.Clarke will read this and see the impact that his decisions during the BSE crisis as Health Minister have made upon the British population, one death from CJD/vCJD is one death too many.

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BooBooGlass · 23/09/2010 17:00

Beaaware, seriously, how many times do you need to invade this board? It's getting tiresome and works aganst getting your point across. I don't even read them anymore, merely sigh and report.

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Beaaware · 23/09/2010 16:58

Just adding another victim of the human form of mad cow disease in the hope that Mr.Clarke will see this as a reminder of his legacy as health minsiter:

JOHN STRINGER AGED 76 FROM PLYMPTON, PLYMOUTH, died from the human form of Mad Cow Disease 18th September 2010.

Mr.Stringer who was a talented squash player showed signs of dementia but sadly died of CJD. We are told that dementia cases are on the increase, how many of these will actually be suffering from vCJD/CJD?

RIP Mr.Stringer

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Beaaware · 05/08/2010 22:44

Another human victim to add to the growing list of the deaths from the human form of mad cows disease:

SUSAN BUTLER aged 45 years, from Cutnall Green, Droitwich died 5th May 2010.

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LadyBlaBlah · 26/07/2010 13:01

This is interesting because it is a typical example of profit being put before health and safety.

I think they got away with it lightly too. They are fortunate because of the way in which the disease manifests itself over a long period of time and very sporadically. If 124 people had been killed in one day because of this, there would have been public outrage and you are right, none of these people would ever work again.

Bad things happen whoever is in charge - yes..........but it is very different if you knowingly ignore reports and data which is telling you there are problems. Accidents and disasters are never just accidents, there is always a specific process they follow leading up to it. Check out Reason's accident causation - the BSE disaster is just one in a long line where people at the top put profit before safety.

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Beaaware · 25/07/2010 21:43

Quote from "PERFECTLY SAFE TO EAT? The Facts on Food" by Vicki Hird available on Amazon, here is a quote:

" Professor Lacey pointed out the dangers of BSE, particularly in relation to public health. His views were supported by other scientists" Instead the government kept repeating the message that British Beef was safe to eat. This gave out conflicting messages to an increasingly sceptical public.
If Beef was safe to eat, why had the government embarked on a slaughter of infected animals?
Early in 1996 marked a watershed in the BSE crisis. The findings of the BSE Advisory Committee inquiry were announced by the Secretary of state for Health, Stephen Dorrell MP, in March 1996. The report showed that the government had been "lax" in its reaction to the crisis in order to protect the beef market. The Committeee also suggested that there was a possible link between BSE and nvCJD"

there is a lot more written in this book about the BSE crisis and I urge anyone who is sceptical to buy this book. There is no doubt that the British public were mis-lead over the link between BSE and the human form of Mad Cows Disease, had our government at the time acted swiftly and in the interests of public health perhaps today we would not be seeing the continual deaths from vCJD in our population and the manipulation of the true statistics.
To see a return of those ministers who were actively involved in the BSE crisis is nothing but outrageous, how can these people be open, honest and transparent?

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Beaaware · 25/07/2010 18:05

A "Stuttering Buffoon" who I personally believe should not have been given another position, someone holds the smoking gun for so many deaths from vCJD caused by the BSE crisis. We have the very same minister who was suppose to protect our health now in charge of our justice system, I find this uncomfortable and disturbing, a personal opinion of course.

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secunda · 25/07/2010 13:52

Oh what IS your point? Ken Clarke was in government during the BSE thing so he shouldn't ever hold another position? Bad things happen whoever is in charge, you can't expect a minister to be wholly responsible and in charge of every event that occurs. It's just naive to think otherwise.

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Beaaware · 25/07/2010 13:46

Interesting quote in todays newspapers from Denise Fergus mother of James Bulger:

re: Kenneth Clarke

" A STUTTERING BUFFOON "

she may just have a good point there!

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