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am I alone in being very heartened that the alquaida operative is not being deported?

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Heathcliffscathy · 18/05/2010 22:11

because we absolutely should not deport anyone under any circumstance who we know will be tortured.

a victory for justice and human rights today imo.

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Heathcliffscathy · 18/05/2010 22:35

yeah, bit misguided given that it's roots are in vietnam (on the wrong team). i'll give you that

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herbietea · 18/05/2010 22:34

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Heathcliffscathy · 18/05/2010 22:34

do you prefer mob rule? what is your preferred means of civilisation? something along the lines of butch survival of the fittest from your posts on this thread?

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moondog · 18/05/2010 22:34

'hearts and minds'

moondog · 18/05/2010 22:33

'rule of law'

Ah, a phrase beloved of the smug.

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Heathcliffscathy · 18/05/2010 22:33

mumblechum it's not about him, it's about us, and our society.

he's under a heavy duty control order, and maybe just maybe, this changes the hearts and minds of any young muslim UK citizens frustrated and angry at the state of the world. not holding out much hope for that but you never know.

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anonandlikeit · 18/05/2010 22:33

They have been deemed a threat to national security, that includes each & every one of us.
A statement of such magnitude would not be made if it was not more beneficial for the security services to have that information in the public domain.
In the case of terrorist activity a conviction of murder only occurs after a terrorist attack IN this case the security services are fighting both the terrorists & the human rights legislation in order to keep us safe.

Alouiseg · 18/05/2010 22:32

Greensleeves: How dare you assume I'm thick because I don't want people who were plotting to murder our fellow countrymen being protected in this country at the taxpayers expense?

I utterly resent your assumption and hope that you reflect upon your assumption.

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Heathcliffscathy · 18/05/2010 22:32

it's not about a 'message' moondog. it's about rule of law. you know, that thing that protects all of us?

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mumblechum · 18/05/2010 22:31

Perhaps he should have thought of that (risk of torture in Pakistan) before he came to the UK to plot murder on our citizens.

I think the court was utterly wrong.

moondog · 18/05/2010 22:31

So what are we doing by letting him stay?
What is he 'message' there?

The Guardian readers may bleat about how noble and cilvilised we are (ie compared to your lot) but what do yuo think this says to him?

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Heathcliffscathy · 18/05/2010 22:31

moondog, again, i really really don't mind being thought of as wet...is not being thought of as wet a good definer of govt policy I wonder?

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Heathcliffscathy · 18/05/2010 22:30

two accusations of thickness on one thread...must be a virus going round.

i understand that this isn't easy to swallow, however, it really is a measure of our civilisation. torture is wrong. under any circs. if we deport him, we really are sanctioning/condoning it.

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moondog · 18/05/2010 22:30

I spend great big chunks of time in Muslim countries and have a very clear idea of how we are perceived.

Peopel despise wets. They don't respect them or admire them or attempt to emulate them.

They snigger and then take advantage mercilessly.

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Heathcliffscathy · 18/05/2010 22:28

they are not murderers either, haven't actually done anything yet.

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Heathcliffscathy · 18/05/2010 22:28

moondog, i commute in london, and therefore I don't think chablis will protect me and feel this is more pertinent to me than for example you in a countryside location right? so please don't come all indignant like that.

how on earth do you extrapolate from this that the high court is 'condoning murder'? have you got your thick hat on tonight or what? expect better of you tbh.

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Alouiseg · 18/05/2010 22:27

He wanted British people dead!!! He can find another mug country to seek sanctuary in. I don't want to pay for him or his family to stay here and plot to kill me and my family.

What an utter joke! Again in the name of Human Rights.

BelleDameSansMerci · 18/05/2010 22:27

This is a tough one. I do not want to live in a country that sanctions torture or the death penalty. The problem, though, is that no country wants to be harbouring terrorists and if we can't send them back to their countries of origin, we're a bit stuffed.

I am, at heart, very liberal (small l!) but I would be happier if people we know to be terrorists and/or a threat to the security of the UK were imprisoned. I know that's harsh and I can think of lots of reasons why that's wrong. It's my emotional response. Which, in honesty, has changed completely since I've had a child.

Greensleeves · 18/05/2010 22:27

Oooh, Chablis, I'd love a glass of Chablis

I agree with sophable btw

anonandlikeit · 18/05/2010 22:25

NO how a society looks after its MOST VULNERABLE is a measure of civalisation & whilst he has the terorist organisations that he ahs been linked with at his disposal he is far from vulnerable

moondog · 18/05/2010 22:25

Sanction torure (allegedly) or condone murder.

Hmmmmm. Tough choice eh?
Not for me.

But hey, it's easy to come over all Amnesty international with this as you sit back in your comfortable homes and sip your Chablis.

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Heathcliffscathy · 18/05/2010 22:23

longfinger...that's exactly it, they can't get that assurance. they know he will be tortured. remember he hasn't actually commited a crime yet, only intent (which in fact is why control orders are so dodgy).

imo how a society looks after it's most hated is a measure of it's civilisation.

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