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The dust has almost settled. My assessment of how the BNP performed.

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daftpunk · 11/05/2010 14:07

Ok, they didn't make the political breakthrough I'd hoped for, but if you look at the results they are actually very encouraging.

The BNP got 563,743 votes (dispite only fighting half of all the available 650 seats)

They got 10% of the vote. That is pretty amazing for a small party, and under proportional representation those votes would result in seats.

NC will merge with someone (eventually?) and as one of his main aims is to push through PR it's all good for the BNP.

What do these results mean for the BNP ?

The tripling of the BNP vote on May 6th has some important implications.

Firstly, where they went head to head with UKIP and the Greens they thrashed them, they overtook UKIP in 178 seats, and UKIP have far more money than the BNP, and of course UKIP and the Greens are favoured by the media.

Secondly, while all minority parties were pushed to the edge by the bigger parties, the BNP's vote not only help up, but proportionally increased when compared to their June 2009 Euro election results.

The BNP are here to stay, and although the election was a disappointment in some respests, it was a clear sign that 1000's of people up and down the country support the policies of the BNP.

And let's not forget, political pundits had all but written off the Labour party after they lost the 92'election....

They went on to win 3 elections.

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tweetymum · 12/05/2010 18:44

DP, I hope you're glad. Thanks to your wonderful BNP and its intimidating thugs, DH and I decided to leave the UK. The NHS has lost a trained psychotherapist, and a university has lost a very well reputed environmental scientist. That's a lot of taxes and contributions to the economy lost too.

Plus, we have encouraged friends to follow us and I know of at least 2 families who are planning to emigrate as they feel that they can no longer live in a society where racism is being dragged into the mainstream through parties like yours.

Be happy!

AndieWalsh · 12/05/2010 18:31

That's your call.

Personally, I don't feel uncomfortable challenging her hateful views. If she prefers not to be challenged, she can switch off her computer.

TheSteelFairy2 · 12/05/2010 18:30

I honestly see what you are saying PP, I really do and I have thought this myself a few times today.

I have left the other thread because I said what I needed to, to her and there is nothing else left to say, I wouldn't want to keep on going over the same ground, trying to make her pay.

To be fair though she brings it on herself, she really does, she waits till it all dies down a bit and then comes back on with another woe is me prod and everyone gets all riled up again.

Me? I think she could do with talking to someone outside of MN and exploring her issues a little.

posieparker · 12/05/2010 18:24

Look, AW, perhaps you haven't seen the many posts I have written against her, perhaps you haven't the threads about other things when she has tried to direct something nice my way and I have refused based upon the views she holds that I, fundamentally, disagree with, perhaps you think anything you say makes any difference?

One thing I know is that no matter how vile the crap she spouts is is that the pack against her (myself included) comes off looking horrible. From now on I am going to try and ignore her because even a racist, homophobic disabilist is a human being and I for one feel uncomfortable joining in and watching everyone turn on her.

TheSteelFairy2 · 12/05/2010 18:23

It is not a "witch hunt", she has been prodding the lion for a long time now and now she is getting bitten. Its just how it is, the wheel turns full circle and all that.

TheSteelFairy2 · 12/05/2010 18:21

Sorry I disagree with you PP. She didnt think that at all. She knew it didn't mean that and just posted that thread to hurt and piss people off, which is what angered me. It is a side swipe at kids with SN without actually coming out and saying straight out "I don't think SN kids should be educated alongside my precious NT darling because teachers spending time dealing with SN kids and their issues might slow his progress and what is the point of them anyway?" Right in line with BNP policies on disabilities.

As I said at the time my ds and his SN are nobodys AIBU.

AndieWalsh · 12/05/2010 18:16

It's not a 'witch hunt'. Her views are abhorrent to the vast majority (all?) other posters. She deliberately seeks negative attention by spouting her hateful crap.

I don't have to be nice to Nazis, sorry.

posieparker · 12/05/2010 18:10

Sorry I meant to add ANY child can be disruptive....

posieparker · 12/05/2010 18:08

No, confusing a child with SN with naughty is crappy, but not the terminology. So under the heading SN...DP thought it meant children who have behavioural issues outside of any real SN. I think that's quite a common error. Plus to some people they think certain behaviours that come with SN are disruptive and in some cases they would be. She did not say I don't want my child to catch SN, or mix with children with SN she just didn't want her child's education compromised by disruptive behaviour.

I just think there is an awful lot to accuse DP of, bigotry, racism, ignorance and disabilist but to save this looking like a witch hunt it's best to stick to stuff she has actually said.

TheSteelFairy2 · 12/05/2010 17:44

Her message on that thread was all SN = aggressive, now call me touchy if you like but I take great offense at that. My ds struggles enough with life as it is without having to fight that label as well.

She also posted it in AIBU to get maximum negativity going. If she really wanted to be informed she would have posted on the SN Boards wouldn't she? She knew exactly what reaction she was going to get and posted in order to get it, which is what is so distasteful about it.

Riven also says that was not the only thread, the first one was even worse.

AndieWalsh · 12/05/2010 17:38

posieparker, do you have a child with SN? I do and I find that thread disgusting.

Confusing SN with 'naughty' is like confusing 'deaf' with 'stupid'. It is an inaccurate and frankly horrible assumption to make.

elliemental · 12/05/2010 17:33

I would like to apologise for my last posting. I meant to post Bloody Nasty People. That comment was not aimed at any one individual.
It was possibly a Freudian slip...

posieparker · 12/05/2010 17:30

Right, now I have no love for daftpunk and she is her own worst enemy but I just rescanned that thread and can see not a whole lot wrong with what she posted. Okay she had mistaken thought that SN covered naughty children, or those statemented for behavioural difficulties but is that really so heinous?

Most of the most dreadful things were from other posters who accused her of opinions she never stated.

I am willing to be corrected if someone can actually find things the she posted that actually shows that she is disabilist.

elliemental · 12/05/2010 17:23

Bloody Nasty Person

LadyG · 12/05/2010 17:19

I think we can only quote Margaret Hodge

"This really is a great moment in our history. On behalf of all the people in Britain, we in Barking have not just beaten but we have smashed the extreme right.

"The lesson from Barking to the BNP is clear: Get out and stay out, you're not wanted here and your vile politics have no place in British democracy. Pack your bags and go!"
Do you understand tha?
Honestly it is not worth wasting one's time on a person who is so deeply stupid and unpleasant. The whole thing is so not Mumsnet- she should be banned IMO.

AndieWalsh · 12/05/2010 16:53

Repulsive thread. MNHQ - ban this nutcase.

TheSteelFairy2 · 12/05/2010 16:46

SN Thread

AndieWalsh · 12/05/2010 16:46

They hate anyone 'foreign', spout a load of old 'rivers of blood' scare-mongery nonsense about immigration, hate Jews, hate Muslims, have repulsive views on those with learning difficulties or disabilities, ditto on women, ditto on gay and lesbian people.

If it looks like a Nazi and smells like a Nazi, it's a Nazi.

mathanxiety · 12/05/2010 16:43

Nazi attitude towards the "Unfit".

The BNP are clearly a case of same scum, different bucket.

complimentary · 12/05/2010 16:41

sirboobalot. Where is the SN thread?

AndieWalsh · 12/05/2010 16:40

daftpunk, why are you always banging on about the British Nazi Party? Are you honestly trying to change minds on MN? Do you really think any sane person is ever going to see one of your pathetic posts and think: 'Hmmm, I used to think the BNP were a bunch of fascist, racist, anti-semitic nutjobbers, but actually, what daftpunk has said has made so much sense I am now going to go out and vote for Nick 'Hitler Sympathiser' Griffin for PM'?

Please. Stop wasting your time and ours. If you are genuinely passionate about these thugs, go out and campaign on the doorsteps (but be prepared to have a bucket of water thrown over your head if you darken my door). Now run along. Nick needs all the help he can get.

SirBoobAlot · 12/05/2010 16:35

Have just read the SN thread. Am disgusted and furious.

complimentary · 12/05/2010 16:22

Daftpunk. I know the song you're searching for....'Young gifted and black'.

sarah293 · 12/05/2010 16:12

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StayingDavidTennantsGirl · 12/05/2010 14:34

Daftpunk - you haven't answered my question about these quotes from Jeffrey Marshall -

"in response to the death of Ivan Cameron, son of David Cameron, leader of the Conservative Party, senior BNP member Jeffery Marshall claimed in an internet forum discussion: ?We live in a country today which is unhealthily dominated by an excess of sentimentality towards the weak and unproductive. No good will come of it.?

Later, in response to comments made by others on the site, Marshall is alleged to have written: ?There is not a great deal of point in keeping these people alive after all.?

How on earth can you justify supporting a party that spouts such vileness?

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