Lefties 7: Simples

You can join me a cup of Paddy Ashdown tea Zephirine, I am willing to cheer and support strongly if i know what to cheer for, but tea seems the only option at the moment.

Clegg does look like he's sleeping ok though. I think the rush of being man of the hour must have been helping to cheer him, but thats not going to be enough to help him now.

What do we do when this is over though? I shall mourn when the little bbc player goes silent for good, and I have to return to RL.

Although I agree about the right wing press. And Nick Robinson.

I know this is going to sound naive (but I'm a leftie so please be gentle): can't we just have another General Election now?

Yes. I have simply no idea what is the best outcome any more. In fact I have given up having opinions altogether for the foreseeable.

Afternoon comradres

Gosh sorry to hear about DD SGM, sounds awful

'ooooh' to airplanes
LOL at prole's mum
DS2 reasonably chipper thanks, Beach

WIBU to start an AIBU thread: 'AIBU to think tthat the right-wing press displays megalomania, bitterness, control freakery, near-psychotic rage and an unearned sense of entitlement that makes Gordon Brown look like a rank amateur?' Did any of you hear Today's review of the papers today? One of them is calling Clegg 'Mme Fifi'

Here's my dilemma: if Clegg goes with Cons, bye-bye to best chance in 30 years of proper PR. If Clegg goes with Labour, we have a chance of proper PR, but probably at the cost of both parties. And we might still lose the referendum.

God I'm glad I'm not him.

I am still getting quite confused. Should I really hope Lib/Lab are the ones who get the poison chalice of governing atm?

Or - does the need for them to be in charge now outweigh the risk of the longterm further loss in popularity?

Or presumably longterm may become much less of an issue, if electoral reform comes in through all this dealing, as it'll virtually ensure stronger chances for the Left in future.

It is difficult to decide rationally, when my baser instincts are just throughly enjoying GB wrongfooting everyone yesterday, setting this in motion.

Enjoying Paddy Ashdown going off to make the journos some tea.

Germany classes beer as a staple btw. Is taxed at the level of food stuff not at alcohol level.

OK I think I am moving gently into the conmingovcamp

lab lib creative Opposition working to achive harmony on econimic policy and electoral reform...with nice open invite to other parties to join a converstaion & contribute

Q How do we get a referendum?
Referendum (in return for allowing Cons to get Queens speach passed plus imp business maybe?)

And Progressives of every stripe and hue need to give money & time so their chosen party/organisation can actually fight for a Yes in a referendum then fight an election given they are all stoney broke atm

Also re shopping I class sherry as a staple I'm more robust than Cambell on that position

OMG

Just been on the phone to my mum. She was talking about what to bring with her and said, "I think we have some chocolate left over from the Easter Egg cunt"

SCREAM

She was so shocked.

Paul Mason on the meerkats

have you seen the "what percentage MPs privately educated" thread? It's quite interesting!

Oh I think I may have inadvertently made myself sound more interesting and clever than I am re aeroplanes . I actually work as a team on designing aeroplane wing manufacturing processes. Am not Howard Hughes.

I am increasingly nerbous about lib/lab coalition as YongVisiter says.

well no, I think they don't want electoral reform either.

Arg, please noooooooooooooooooooo not a liblab coalition.

I think senior labourites are speaking out against PR in a shrewd attempt to scupper any coalition. They think that DavidM or Ed Balls or someone is going to sell labour's future down the river for the sake of 5 minutes of fame, and they are chipping away at the foundations of any deal as fast as they can.

(excuse mixed metaphors - rather over-wrought and DS2 is shrieking in my other ear)

Yep, where is David M?
There's something afoot. Can someone please reassure me that they know what they're doing better than we do and are not about to ruin Labour for 20 years. Hate siding with Reid and Blunkett but ...

am nervous about liblab too for all the reasons people like penth have mentioned and fully understand why labour MPs might not want to put themselves through it!

labour would do better to form a good strong opposition. They'll have plenty to oppose I would have thought!

Morning lovely lefties. Three things:

Blunkett and Reid and very anti-PR. Fair enough, but shut up right now or keep it within the Party: they are not doing the Party any good.

Increasingly worried about stability of the progressive alliance, much as I'd like it to work and think it is democratically fair enough. Keep telling myself Labour/Lib Dems must know more than we do about how it can and will work. They're not stupid enough to resign themselves to political obvilion just 'cos

My student fridge was much cooler than yours.

Ok 4th:
As I said before, I did try a progressive thread, even after hammening away on this one DURING the election. I wanted to see what others thought, but it didn't work. There are plenty of Tory or Tory-leaning LibDem discussions out there.

Martha Kearney on Twitter (I've started to embrace this Twitter lark): Just back from Commons. More Lab Mps want party to admit defeat. 2 Lib Dem MPs want alliance with Cons. Cons furious at Lib Dem "duplicity"

mme lindt I am following you

(am quesera_sarah btw)