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so, why is a con-lib thing so bad??

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thisisyesterday · 09/05/2010 21:32

i voted lib dem, but in all honesty politics is not my strong point, though i am making an effort!!

now, i've heard a lot of people saying they'll never vote LD again if they go in with the tories, which just seems strange to me

I mean, I voted hoping that LD would win more seats and have more influence. I never thought they would win, and I can't believe other people did either.....

so surely it was always going to end with either a lab/con govt but just more seats for the libs? OR, a coalition of some kind

so.... why is a lib/con team worse than a lib/lab team?
the way I see it if you end with a coalition it's always going to be with a party you don't agree with surely?
and it's better to have a con/lib govt than a purely con govt because that way hopefully the lib dems can have MORE influence over things... hence all the talks

a friend of mine said something along the lines of "they're siding with the tories just so that they can get into power..." well duh! isn't that the aim of any political party? to get into power? and by making a good deal with another party and being able to influence things more than you would otherwise, why is that so bad??

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HumphreyCobbler · 09/05/2010 22:27

right wing and left wing are to do with economics

HumphreyCobbler · 09/05/2010 22:26

wasn't that a joke?

hairymelons · 09/05/2010 22:26

According to the political map,the BNP are less right wing than lib dems & labour! Or am I reading it wrong?

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thisisyesterday · 09/05/2010 22:25

how can they take the lib dems out? this is a democracy. you can't just take a party out

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Prolesworth · 09/05/2010 22:21

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belledechocolatefluffybunny · 09/05/2010 22:20

Why don't they just have another election but take the lib dems out of the equation?

rasputin · 09/05/2010 22:20

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anastaisia · 09/05/2010 22:18

Agree with gaelicsheep.

This political compass is quite interesting if you want to see how different all three parties are.

gaelicsheep · 09/05/2010 22:17

Well there's one right here. I voted Lib Dem because I believe in their values, and I think those values are much closer to the Tory party than the Labour party.

Lib Dems who wanted Labour should have voted Labour shouldn't they? Then they wouldn't have this problem.

thetoriesaretoast · 09/05/2010 22:15

'Endless surveillance by the state for dubious purposes'. That's a pretty woolly statement - sounds very Daily Mail. Personally I don't have a problem with state intervention. Seat belts, smoking bans, recycling - bring it on. And let's not forget how repressive the Tories were - suss laws, clause 28, etc etc

I don't think you'll find that many LibDems who want to associate with the Tories.

HumphreyCobbler · 09/05/2010 22:15

more than the rest got though

belledechocolatefluffybunny · 09/05/2010 22:15

It's not a majority as in enough to run the country but it's more then any other party IYSWIM.

gaelicsheep · 09/05/2010 22:15

Less than 36% wanted a Labour government in 2005. I don't recall much angst in the Labour camp about their own lack of mandate back then.

MollieO · 09/05/2010 22:11

Only 36% have said they want a Conservative government. Not a majority at all!

HumphreyCobbler · 09/05/2010 22:11

I agree with gaelicsheep.

Also, all these Lib Dem supporters who are so angst ridden about a tory/lib pact, what DO they think would be likely to happen under STV? Lots and lots of deals like the one going on at the moment.

belledechocolatefluffybunny · 09/05/2010 22:09

Nick Clegg's a Westminster school old boy isn't he? This is a private school. I voted conservatives, I have never voted Labour but have had to endure their policies for the last x amount of years. You can't please everyone, the majority have said they want a Conserative government now, not a Labour one, it's only because of the shite way our government works which is causing the problems.

gaelicsheep · 09/05/2010 22:06

Ooh let's see. Government databases storing invasive personal details about people and their children. Locking people up without charge for months on end. ID cards. Endless surveillance by the state for dubious purposes. The list is pretty much endless. It all adds up to the continuous erosion of individual freedoms. In any other country these kinds of policies would be seen as very very dangerous. In this country - because it's our loveable, fluffy Labour party - people seem to think it's OK. It isn't OK, it's bloody frightening.

The Lib Dems are against all this unnecessary state control and in favour of freedom and democracy. Hence the parties' cultures are poles apart.

thetoriesaretoast · 09/05/2010 22:03

Thisisyesterday, yes, it's a real head spinner!

thetoriesaretoast · 09/05/2010 22:02

Gaelic, which policies do you consider to be authoritarian? And what DO you mean by Labour/LibDem cultures being different? That one lot go to state schools and the other to private? That one likes music hall and the other opera??

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thisisyesterday · 09/05/2010 22:01

oh blimey it's more complicated than i thought!

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thetoriesaretoast · 09/05/2010 21:59

If no deal is done, the Tories can try to form a minority govt, which has certainly happened before. But they have to be able to get their Queen's speech voted through, and they will find it very hard to push through legislation. Nick Robinson at the BBC has suggested that the Libs will avoid an actual coalition, so they're not tainted by association with the Tories, but will not oppose the Queen's speech etc, in order to get some concessions. I'm not convinced by this, as I think they need to go all out for electoral reform. It's now or never really.

MollieO · 09/05/2010 21:59

I assume Con will form a minority government and look for support on an issue by issue basis. I don't think there is anyway that Lab could stay in power unless they got support of the DUP, SNP and Plaid Cymru. All pretty difficult bedfellows.A

gaelicsheep · 09/05/2010 21:56

The Labour government for the past decade or so has been all about authoritarianism and state control of the individual. Not much progressive about that is there?

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thisisyesterday · 09/05/2010 21:55

hmmm i think i am understanding so far

if clegg refuses and no deal is done what then? labour stay in power? indefinitely? or would they be forced to call another GE?

i reckon they should have another one anyway, so all those people can vote who missed out!

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thetoriesaretoast · 09/05/2010 21:55

Gaelic, I have absolutely no idea what you mean by their 'cultures'. And are you telling me the Tories are progressive? You might like to check the dictionary definition of conservative.

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