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Why not liberate Scotland and then run with a conservative majority?

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Earthstar · 07/05/2010 17:08

Since Scotland is so mad for independence and is not homogenous with England why not set them free and then the Conservatives will have their majority?

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Earthstar · 07/05/2010 18:14

Sweet perhaps but no good to anyone surely?

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pointydog · 07/05/2010 18:13

I am enjoying a little schadenfreude today.

Scotland had to lump Thatcher for years as the Englander tories voted for her.

Today many Englander tories have to lump a hung parliament due to scotland's red flag. Sweet

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Earthstar · 07/05/2010 18:11

What is wrong with wanting independence? That is hardly synonymous with allegiance to the BNP, you cheapen your argument by throwing BNP in constantly

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fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 07/05/2010 18:07

so everyone who is different should be kept separate? ...smacks of BNP to me!

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Earthstar · 07/05/2010 18:06

Earthstar 17:50:56
having so much stuff that's free that the english pay for - the scots don't pay tuition fees, the english do pay them

It's not about money for me, it may be for you, it is about differences for me

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fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 07/05/2010 18:06

"You". So all Scots people are "you" and all vote the same.

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Earthstar · 07/05/2010 18:04

You have demonstrated your priorities in your voting pattern

Your country has chosen to spend differently on health and education to England. These are the differences I am talking about.

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YourCallIsImportant · 07/05/2010 18:04

Earthstar 17:50:56
having so much stuff that's free that the english pay for

Earthstar 17:23:15
Scotland really does have free school lunches - see here
and also free prescriptions - see here
and also free fees for University for FOUR years

How exactly is that reasonable?

Earthstar 17:13:15
I think the scots have free prescriptions, college fees school lunches etc etc which is pretty unfair,

Looks like it's all about money to me....

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 07/05/2010 18:04

I don't think Earthstar IS trolling, I think, sadly, that a lot of people DO think like this. Quattrocento was going on about "English money" earlier too.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 07/05/2010 18:02

Who is this "they" who choose to act differently. How do you know what our priorities are???

I am Scottish. How do I act differently from you? What are my priorities?

That is why we are annoyed.

longfingernailspaintedblue · 07/05/2010 18:01

HippyGalore

Excellent point. For some inexplicable reason, the Tories underperformed in London, the part of the country which generates most income tax.

Does that mean that London should become independent from the rest of "Tory" England?

This whole line of argument is based on a total fallacy.

And Earthstar is just trolling, I think.

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Earthstar · 07/05/2010 18:00

Yourcallisimportant you are reading a lot of things into my posts that just aren't there

I have no problem with any cross subsidisation that is or isn't there, no problem that one country gives stuff free that the other pays for, the point is simply that they choose to act differently and make different choices and have different prioriites so why go for joint government?

Actually I think you and others have been personally offensive in your comments about me

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Earthstar · 07/05/2010 17:56

My argument is nothing to do with money, I don't care 2 hoots whether Scotland subsidises England or vice versa

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JennyPiccolo · 07/05/2010 17:56

England doesn't subsidise Scotland.

Granny23 · 07/05/2010 17:55

Ananotherthing - to whoever was disparaging the SNP's 6 seats, if you extrapolate that into UK wide terms they would have held 66 seats, hardly neglegable in this election. Thousands of voters who voted SNP in the Scottish Parliment and Euro elections voted Labour yesterday in a vain attempt to avert a UK Tory Government.

It is interesting to note that Scotland's one Tory seat is right on the English Border and that most of Labour's safe seats which they have held are in the North of England (or Scotland). This seems to indicate a big North/South divide in voting patterns rather than just a Scotland/England division.

YourCallIsImportant · 07/05/2010 17:55

Earthstar, do you realise how offensive and bigoted you appear?

HippyGalore · 07/05/2010 17:54

If a leader seriously proposed cutting a country out because all the big spaces were coloured in red and was taking the "English money", generated primarily in London, which is mostly red as well, he'd look a bit daft. Either the money argument or the voting argument but the two contradict each other when you look how London voted.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 07/05/2010 17:54

What about the stuff the English get that WE pay for with our taxes How dare these pesky Sassenachs take our Scottish money.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 07/05/2010 17:52

"good on them for having so much stuff that's free that the english pay for"

Yes, we don't pay taxes in Scotland, every day is a big party.

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Earthstar · 07/05/2010 17:50

I don't blame Scotland for England's woes at all and I think good on them for having so much stuff that's free that the english pay for.

I just don't see that governing both contries together makes sense when their interests are disparate.

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fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 07/05/2010 17:48

Yes, when i went to Uni in England I was called "Jock" etc constantly and was even affectionately referred to by my "friends" as "Scottish tart" (no I was not promiscuous either)!

Every time DH goes down to England with work he is called "Jock" and there are countless references to "you lot" as well.

8Ace · 07/05/2010 17:46

No free school dinners or prescriptions where I live either.

As for the English accent not making you popular in Scotland - I take it you've never been to Edinburgh?

Anyhoo that kind of crap is a two way street - I have actually been spat upon by English people for having a Scottish accent and my Irish friend got told to "fuck of you Irish bombing bastard" on her first visit to London.

BorisTheBold · 07/05/2010 17:46

Gawd I hate threads like these - wah wah wah Scotland gets too much money, we get nuffink.

Grow up Earthstar and write to your MP instead of blaming Scotland for all England's woes.

And just so you know, as a Scottish person living in England, I have been on the receiving end of far more abuse about my nationality than my English dp did when we lived in Scotland - so don't go polishing your oh so superior halo yet.

YourCallIsImportant · 07/05/2010 17:40

Aah, OK, so that doesn't apply to the big English cities then? Not so simples.

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Earthstar · 07/05/2010 17:38

Well I'm just trying to solve the hung parliament problem so most folk are happy, obviously not making many of you lot very happy though

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