Why not liberate Scotland and then run with a conservative majority?

Bloody hell!

What a classic example of Tory attitudes we are seeing displayed from Earthstar, you couldn't make it up.
I'd love to think it was a satire from an upset Labour supporter but it's not, is it?

Waves to all Scots

Yes. It's certainly none of my business, if that's what people in England want.For a start, I'd fully support an English parliament, it's pretty unfair that you don't have one.

also would keep the BNP south of the border, but i wouldn't wish that on anybody.

I agree that politically, we are pretty divided. Clearly we don't want a conservative government and studies have shown that on average, Scottish people lean more to the left in their political views.

So, in theory, yes, i agree we should treated like two separate countries, and I would support independence.

This is, however, not a choice that David Cameron, Westminster or anyone else south of the border should make. It's a choice for the people of Scotland to make democratically.

So, in essence, if you're not happy in England, do something about it, but whether Scotland is independent or not is no business of anyone else.

Think Earthstar is misinformed about where the north/south, tory/other split actually is.

If you want Scotland to have independence then you might as well cut England in half from the Severn to Lincolnshire and anything above that line call it Scotland given the results. Also you'd have a mainly non Tory Greater London floating in the middle of England.Here

I don't believe the majority of Scots want independence and I think this thread is just another excuse for a load of bigots to offload.

So forgive me if I flounce.

but it does rain a lot

School Meal Cost so unfortunately we do do pay for school meals however on the flip side Earthstar DD1 is in a P1 class of 22 soon to be reduced to 18 and also we usually get to go to the school we want, have less pollution, houses are less expensive, scenery is great and the people are lovely

Definitive proof that all Scottish people are completely the same.

which is why I said the people 'I' have met. Sorry if I came across as offensive, was merely adding my experiences.

Expat, 'dahn sarf' is how the southerners say it, it's an estuary accent

forget ukip, you need an English Nationalist Party. Make sure you liberate Cornwall as well, wouldn't want to give them anymore money when they're all so desperate for independence

Exactly, Fanjo.

Not to mention the 'dahn sarf' term. Scots people don't know how to speak English, either.

Also, I live 'dahn sarf' and have not encountered these scathing scots. Nor was anyone rude to me when I was in Scotland. Although I did get quite sweetly "ganged-up" on by my (French) dh and some Scots a couple of time. Old friends and all that...

the stuff about " all the Scottish people I have ever met 'dahn sarf'" etc I mean

"I have to hesitantly say that all the Scottish people I have ever met 'dahn sarf' have been very unpleasant about the 'English'"

Yes, of course, because people are always over-eager to live in a place they hate.

If you swapped "Scottish" for "black" and said all this stuff there would be ENORMOUS outrage.

'Earthstar, do you realise how offensive and bigoted you appear?'

And how, erm, UKIP.

I voted Lab in one of the red london constituencies. Do I have to move to Scotland because my priorities are different from other English people? Am I politically Scottish? I thought I was politically labour, didn't realise I had to vote according to my nationality ooops, if only I'd known.

"I have to hesitantly say that all the Scottish people I have ever met 'dahn sarf' have been very unpleasant about the 'English'"

Definitive proof that all Scottish people are completely the same.

oh well, we must all be like that then. I have never said anything bad about the "English" in my life. (only specific ones).

and I think it IS relevant..all this talk of "we dont want to subsidise YOU LOT with our taxes..go and be in your OWN COUNTRY" does remind me of a certain political party saying "immigrants want a different way of life so they should go home."

I have to hesitantly say that all the Scottish people I have ever met 'dahn sarf' have been very unpleasant about the 'English'. It does get quite frustrating.. I know that sounds like a generalisation and I was racking my brains to think of someone Scottish I have met who hasn't been scathing about English people, but I really couldn't. Not to say I haven't had Scottish friends, but get them going and they will rant forever!

I have only thrown BNP in once, not constantly. Anyway, fun as arguing with you is, I need to go and clean bolognaise from the carpet.

personally I don;t see an independent scotland as much good either

snp isn't exactly doing a roaring trade in scotland