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Depressed Lefty red eye - The morning after the night before

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Nymphadora · 07/05/2010 12:01

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DavidHameron · 08/05/2010 12:43

Ah. You just missed out the comma.

'Lots of people in their 40s and 50s like me, grew up hating Margaret Thatcher'

Doesn't imply he hates her.

taffetacat · 08/05/2010 12:40

the lady protesteth too much maybe.....

justaboutacompletedfamily · 08/05/2010 12:38

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PfftThePinkoLeftyDragon · 08/05/2010 12:35

Hassled - I think the naughty step is called for - this situation is unasseptable!

taffetacat · 08/05/2010 12:35

Nick Robinson on BBC just said "Lots of people in their 40's and 50's like me grew up hating Margaret Thatcher....."

or did I just dream that? Go, Nick.

justaboutacompletedfamily · 08/05/2010 12:33

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DavidHameron · 08/05/2010 12:31

I think the Phonecall Story is a plant by Murdoch

Hassled · 08/05/2010 12:28

The losing temper story is hotly denied .

Although, a good shouting at may be what Nick needs. You know when your DCs have pushed their luck so much that you feel they need to know events have Gone Too Far? That sort of thing.

PfftThePinkoLeftyDragon · 08/05/2010 12:26

I feel incredibly sorry for GB.

I wonder if he wishes he had stuck it out as chancellor and never become PM?

InmyheadIminParis · 08/05/2010 12:19

Pfff Labour are caught between a rock and a hard place. They can't have another unelected PM, but the electorate just won't accept GB.

I heard on R4 that GB lost his temper with Clegg too. Oh lordy.

justaboutacompletedfamily · 08/05/2010 12:18

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PfftThePinkoLeftyDragon · 08/05/2010 12:16

justabout - the news is saying that Gordon and Nick had a phone call in which Gordon was angry at Nick and shouted at him.

InmyheadIminParis · 08/05/2010 12:15

Onebat - that's exactly what I've been arguing thinking will happen. I just can't see Hameron risking a lib-lab deal. Plus, some of the lib dem concessions he'll have to make actually get him out of a few tricky election promisses on ringfencing spending.

PfftThePinkoLeftyDragon · 08/05/2010 12:15

I don't have strong feelings about who is PM. Saying that though, I like Brown and think he has done a good job, but I think it is inevitable that he will go, particularly if a Lib/Lab coalition occurs.

The thing is, who else? Surely Harman and Milliband Number 1 are the only realistic options?

Who could be PM if Labour is the party?

justaboutacompletedfamily · 08/05/2010 12:15

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justaboutacompletedfamily · 08/05/2010 12:09

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Prolesworth · 08/05/2010 12:02

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PfftThePinkoLeftyDragon · 08/05/2010 11:56

I mean, Clegg MUST know that the Tories will never go for PR. I keep hold of this in my heart.

PfftThePinkoLeftyDragon · 08/05/2010 11:54

Beachcomber - this is what I was thinking about. There MUST be a lot of LD voters who would not vote for them again should a CON/LD pact happen. Then, should there be another election - these votes would be lost to the LD's, and they would likely go to Labour.

NC must feel like he is between a rock and a hard place.

Was reading an article in Guardian about DC trying to go it alone and fucking off The Queen.

animula · 08/05/2010 11:53

I'm alarmed by what was floated on the other thread - Clegg being bought off with promise of PR for House of Lords/Upper House ... .

animula · 08/05/2010 11:52

At a tangent - just remember, people, that despite the enormous differential in press support the electorate did not wholly swing Conservative.

I really do wonder if that is pertly down to the rise of social media. Which I know is teeny, tiny, but ... it's an interesting thought.

It was surprising how much of our local campaign utilised small, local social media sites.

The whole PR scenario is making my head explode.

But - bright side again - another good thing was that turn-out went up - just proving that people/we get engaged when they/we see they need to, when they/we are called to. Even if they/we voted for "the other side" .

A PR referendum might have that engaging effect. And it does seem that as people/we become engaged, we seek out information. So, maybe this is the era when we really could circumvent the mainstream, private-interest press.

Prolesworth · 08/05/2010 11:46

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policywonk · 08/05/2010 11:42

I dunno, I think GB's got to go really. The electorate just hates him, in the main. Fair enough for him to stay on for six months or so, but in the medium term they need to bed in a new leader who doesn't make Middle England want to throw things at the television. He's a good guy in many ways, but his leadership has been electorally disastrous.

Beachcomber · 08/05/2010 11:41

Agree Labour must hang onto Gordon. I can't see a strong enough alternative and it would send a message of failure/willing to dump their man in order to get some power.

That and the fact that Gordon ROCKS - I think he will come into his own in a situation like this, he is going to be all principled, dignified and solid. My personal view is that the reason he will be able to come across this way is because he is sincere and in politics because he wants to serve the people and fight for fairness. Hameron is where he is due to being hugely privileged and the man his party thought must likely to appeal to 'the common people' (love that video). I'm not saying Hameron doesn't have any political skills, etc but he has let his party (and voters) down and put them at great danger.

Prolesworth · 08/05/2010 11:39

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