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Victory to the Greek people

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Coolfonz · 05/05/2010 13:02

Some real politics going on in Athens...

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longfingernails · 05/05/2010 14:16

Coolfonz

What next if Greece defaults?

It still needs to spend far more than it collects in tax. Who in their right mind would lend to them?

I actually think a default (or at least a restructuring) of their debt is inevitable - but that will be far worse for the Greek people than the bailout deal currently on the table.

Thankfully, we have the pound taking much of the pain for us. Still, if we don't sort out our own deficit this could all be happening here very soon.

TheCrackFox · 05/05/2010 14:15

Quite the little rebel working in investment banking I see.

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Coolfonz · 05/05/2010 14:15

Tsk 14...I wish!

Gotta go, spreadsheets to fill in...

Back later Mums n Dads...

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Coolfonz · 05/05/2010 14:13

Ain't about me.

Private banking runs the world. Politicians are just our errand boys.

Why do you think everyone who knows the game lines their pockets at any chance?

Tax schmax, the whole system is creaking, we fucked the system, now we want you to pay.

And you did! And you will.

Only the Greeks, so far, have the balls to fight. Good luck to them. You go bankrupt, the private banks don't get their money (like any creditor in a default situation) and Greece carries on...

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Sweeedes · 05/05/2010 14:11

Coolfonz - You sound about 14.

Chil1234 · 05/05/2010 14:08

So you don't pay tax then coolfonz?....

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Coolfonz · 05/05/2010 14:07

(Very sad any workers have died of course, just for clarity)

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Coolfonz · 05/05/2010 14:05

And who pays tax in the UK? Self assessment? That and the drug economy are huge vats of liquidity for the economy. The very rich don't pay tax either. My boss earns £1.5mn - £2mn a year, you think he pays fucking tax? What world do you people live in?

It's not fucking scones and daisies you know. It's cash and power. Don't roll over...

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GrimmaTheNome · 05/05/2010 14:04

I'm afraid the Greek people need to come to their senses and realise they have been living beyond their means.

Retire at 53 on 80% of salary, and then expect the Germans to bail you out when they prudently retire at (IIRC) 67 on 40% of salary?

These riots are not real politics. They are self-destructive - horrible that they are proving literally lethal too.

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Coolfonz · 05/05/2010 14:02

They don't let me have Che Guervara posters working in investment banking

You mug. Line your pockets, it's all going tits up...

I give it 25 years tops...

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Alibabaandthe40nappies · 05/05/2010 13:57

CrackFox my Mum listened to an interview on R4 I think it was. A group of 5 professional Greeks being interview re. the austerity measures.
The journo asked if they paid their tax, none of them do. The reason they gave was that lots of taxation money just went to line politician pockets. Fair enough.

Next question was 'if politics was cleaned up and the tax you paid genuinely went to public services, would you then pay your tax?'
Only 1 person said yes.

Chil1234 · 05/05/2010 13:56

It's far too simplistic to say 'make the banks pay' and gaze misty-eyed at your Che Guevara posters. Greece has been living beyond its means... average retirement age 53, not collecting enough tax, spending too much money.... for several years. That's 'real politics', it's come to a grinding halt and we're not so far from it ourselves.

TheCrackFox · 05/05/2010 13:52

"...that culturally they do not accept taxation...". Nobody really likes paying tax though.

It seems to me the Greeks expect the Germans to pay tax on their behalf.

My Grandmother lived through a revolution and half her family died. It wasn't a barrel of laughs by all accounts.

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Coolfonz · 05/05/2010 13:52

The banks won't pay, of course they won't. But they won't get their money back. Defaulting is the only answer. Fuck the banks and then nationalise them, take them out of private hands.

Neo-liberalism is in a race to the bottom.

Choose your side.

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gingercat12 · 05/05/2010 13:49

I mean ground invasion in the second world war.

gingercat12 · 05/05/2010 13:48

Coolfonz You do not know what you are talking about, and what suffering it would mean to the Greek people. The banks would never pay.
Do you really think it is fun to live through a revolution?! Well, I can tell you it is not. I only had the misfortune of experiencing one, but my Dad had suffer two plus ground invasion in Europe. I would not wish it on anybody.

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Coolfonz · 05/05/2010 13:44

Greece should default. Fuck the banks. Make the banks pay, they created this crisis, they even cooked the Greek books with the Greek Tories...

This is structural adjustment. What happened all over the world, and now it is happening in Europe and it will happen in the UK as well.

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amidaiwish · 05/05/2010 13:42

Coolfonz, i don't get your thread title?

keep us posted Elenio and take care.

gingercat12 · 05/05/2010 13:42

Elenio Look after yourself.

Elenio · 05/05/2010 13:39

3 people have been killed today in the riots in Athens.

Its very scary here at the moment.

scaryteacher · 05/05/2010 13:35

See todays Telegraph:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/greece/7681518/Greece-bail-out-money-is-reparation-for-Sec ond-World-War.html

Alibabaandthe40nappies · 05/05/2010 13:34

scaryteacher you are joking? That is ridiculous.
The problem with Greece is that culturally they do not accept taxation, but they have still voted in a socialist and therefore high-spend Government. Disaster.

TheCrackFox · 05/05/2010 13:33

So glad we are not in the Euro.

scaryteacher · 05/05/2010 13:30

The Greeks are now saying that the loan/bailout should be given by the Germans in recompense for war damage done to Greece.

Alibabaandthe40nappies · 05/05/2010 13:29

So they should be cut loose. It is becoming very clear that the Greek government must have fudged the figures in order for them to be admitted to the EU, never mind the Euro.