AIBU To be sick of people making others feel bad about their election choices?

This is the problem, does any one party tick all the boxes for an individual ? I can't make mine match !

I like a policy from them all ! So who do I vote for ?

On the same vein, there are many British people who also feed off the state and will not work or better themselves. (And I don't mean decent people who cannot work due to illness or people who devote their lives looking after others).

rubbish rabs;I come from that sector and if management were doing this then the place could be closed.

Are you doing a DP on us? I asked for actual policy.

YANBU

I have a huge Conservative poster in my window but I have friends ranging the political spectrum from UKIP to Green.

Anyone who discards friendships based on politics is stupid. Character, warmth, loyalty, humour all transcend party politics.

I would probably have a bit of a problem with a BNP vote though. Many people who vote BNP are genuine racists; they are beyond the pale. Others are just frustrated with Labour and "the establishment" and know that voting BNP is the one thing the political elites are genuinely scared of. If a friend fell into this latter class, then hopefully I would be able to persuade them instead of giving up on them.

well maybe if the goverment wernt so lax on giving immigrants benifits as soon as they get of the boat there would be money and facilities for disabled people and their carers,also i know a lady who works in a care home where the residents are treated like shit and the carers spit on the floor when they are eating their meals but management cant do anything as its in their culture and they are worried the racist card will be pulled out

Hello Sancti, Oh I agree it was terrible that no nativity could be performed and letters were submitted to the govenors etc, their word was that as some children couldn't take part then it was unfair to have the play.

But my main issue is that ALL of the children participated in the other visits/learning about other cultures and I was very pleased my daughters would learn more about our world.

We do have Xmas lights in our town by the way !

I see your point about immigration, yes it's not the biggest issue, however I would like it if parties would be more upfront about how they are tackling the problem.

Rabsgirl, I am of the opinion that EVERYONE should vote for who they feel highlights the issues most important to them individually. I do not take the view that I could not vote for someone who voted BNP, that is your personal choice and I have no right to try and sway your view.

The BNP Does make some decent points, however as they were previously a racist party, although now state they are not, I feel that their is a stigma, and many people will be too afraid to vote BNP due to their past history/previous policies.

However, it is OUR right to vote in whicever way we choose and I respect people's opinions and they can vote they way they wish to.

Rabs as you are so policy aware then

dp has never answered this

aside from educational ones, what are the BNP policies on disabled people including children, and tehir carers?

The answer isn;t in their manifesto so I do wonder

TIA

Presumably becuase she ahs nut teachers Charley

I have a degree in world faiths and planned to teach;I actively endorse visitinh the centres of all mainstream faiths but cannot understand how a standard nativity could be deemed offensive

But you see there are always people who get it wrong- extremism often happens when someone witnesses such examples and assum,es it is anything more than a dim individual

Christmas lights banned in your town = end to the right to celebrate? Really? Well every other town manages it- maybe your council is a bit shit

etc

But no, a standard nativity shouldn't have been banned and the vast amjority of schools manage tp produce one

Although whilst I agree immigration is important the fact is that it most clearly is not the biggest one; or had ytou not noticed the deficit? or recession?

charley24 you have took the words right out of my mouth. christmas is now called winter festivle in my city why is that? we do not throw christianity in anyones face so why phase it out. christmas is a big part in my life and want my ds to celebrate it as i have when i was growing up. im also sick of all this political corectness. this country is to soft and wont stand up for british beliefs the bnp will do this for us.

Immigration is the biggest issue of all, yet many parties choose not to explain how they will solve the problem.

I am not racist, however I would like someone to exlain to me why my DD happily visited a synagouge, celebrated chinese new year and did a project on Islam, yet was sent home from school in December with a letter that stated the nativity play was unable to be performed as it could be considered offensive to other religions?

We embrace other cultures, I love to learn about other relgions/views etc, yet it is difficult to understand why we can't celebrate british traditions such as the nativity ?

Any opinions welcomed, or perhaps someone knows why the nativity was banned ?

to all you bnp basher i am giving them my vote as i did last time i am not Racist and homephobic and i am all woman i think the policies make alot of sense this country needs to be sorted its a mess! i personally agree with the policies such as bringing back our troops why should they fight a war that is not ours these men and women are losing their lives for nothing. i agree with the immigration policy it is time to close the flood gates this country is bursting at the seems there is no jobs housing and we are broke. stop and ask yourself why that is. i want my ds to have a bright future and not have the worry of not being able to get a job and support a family of his own. we are NOT second class citizens. we need to take better care of our pensioners who have worked all their lives and fought the war for this generation!!

Do you know what I don't understand, why groups are allowed to call themselves things like The Black Enterprise, Doncaster Chinese Group, Irish Group etc. Yet you aren't allowed to call a group 'White.....'.

I have actually been racially abused by a group of black girls, I was called white trash, chalky etc. When I complained to the police they said it wasn't racist ? I explained how was that so, and even the officer said that if I had been black and called Black etc etc then the other party would have been arrested yet there was nothing they could do ?

I am just trying to work out why racism always seem to be white v's black yet I don't recall hearing of black v's white ?

I have a mixed race family and I have respect for all, regardless of colour, to me, people are people, but that day when I was screamed at (over swimming pool lanes by the way) I felt very victimised yet had no voice ?

Not trying to cause chaos, but would be interested in any views ?

I forgot to mention...

I don't give a toss how much petrol costs, I like gays, I am an immigrant, I don't think "christian values" and marriage should be enshrined in law and tax breaks. I guess I can't vote tory.

However I sure would like to see better discipline in schools and for more able children to be streamed. I don't think the answer to Britain's education woes is to keep dumbing down schools until everyone "passes".

Christ on a bike I am confusing myself now. Once again, in this state I can't possibly begrudge anyone else their political choice.

Unless it's BNP.

Two days to go...

Hi Wahwah - I am not usually a snappy old bat!

YANBU.

I am tired of it as well, and there's a lot of it going around on mumsnet.

I have made up my mind who to vote for. Not because I believe the party of my choice is godlike and the other three (or four, or five) are evil baddies. More because I have found many policies to agree with and to disagree with on each party's manifesto.

I can think of several tory policies I firmly believe are good policies. I applaud many things that Labour have done over the last thirteen years, whilst I feel they have become out of touch on many issues and have created a bloated bureaucracy hell-bent on micro-managing everyone in the public sector. And they went into the Iraq war, which I am opposed to. I would love a mix of the Lib Dems and Tory education policy. I believe the Lib Dems are less likely to be power hungry career politicians than the other two parties, but reserve the right to be wrong on that one.

Anyhow, I have made up my mind based on choosing the party with the least policies I disagree with and the most I agree with. And if someone else wants to choose another party, then that's their lookout. I will not attack them for it, nor think them stupider than myself or belittle their decision.

Unless it's the BNP.

Haha did Maggie Thatcher get rid of milk?
I used to love it, even went on afternoon for extra - all warm if any kids had been absent !!!

Perhaps I am strange !

I still don't know who to vote for, those online who should you vote for quizzes keep giving me a different answer everytime !

I only have 2 days to decide, I sometimes think I don't know enough to be able to vote, I am reading all I can but just seem to be getting more confused !

My friends are predominantly Labour with a big side order of Tory and Liberal and some nice fresh organic Greens. I grew up in the 80's too and didn't agree with much Margaret Thatcher did (except getting rid of the hideous fermenting milk foisted on us at school). Although I was excited to live in a country where a woman could be PM at all. That was real progress.

I am glad I was brought up to see the value in everyone, regardless of how they vote (which isn't always the same way every time). My parents put our common humanity before politics and I try to follow their example.

Wah Wah - Why don't you have any Tory friends? Do you think they all same?

Yeah except Daftpunk as she started the mad BNP thread!

YANBU

I like politics and all teh debating but once off a thread I would not judge them as a person by what was said and I will help anyone as Ic an regardless of political affiliation

BNP possibly is the exception; I ahve a friend I think may vote that way but have made a point of not askinga s it mayw ell affect my opinion of her.

Even if anyone was planning to vote BNP I doubt they would tell you, it is a personal preference who people vote for.

I know someone who is voting BNP and they are a muslim, it is THEIR choice, I have read the manifesto's of all parties and I agree with some of one party, not with another.

I can't hand on heart say that I think one party is better than another, they all have pro's and cons IMO.

Another one spending time on Mumsnet due to cancer (Hi KurriKurri !).

My friends aren't Tories. I grew up in the 80's and saw what they did. Cameron's Conservatives aren't so different. I don't think it makes me a bigot, it just makes me fussy about my close friends and their values. I'm not friends with people who smack their children either.

In relation to working class values and aspirations, my parent's generation made the same middle class journey as beneficiaries of education and health care. They have never forgotten the others who got left behind (and it's not all about being lazy or unmotivated) and that's why they don't vote Tory either.

I haven't discussed voting choices with anyone apart from DH. I'm very interested in it and watching the debates on TV etc but I have no interest, whatsoever, of discussing it with any of my friends or colleagues. I am guessing they feel the same way...

in answer to the OP, i definitel found some of the 'none of my frieds are tory, too deep a gulf' rather much -

i really don't think there is such a huge gulf between the two parties, and what is more, i think that kind of statement shows the person making it to be something of a bigot.

SJG, so they were naive, like I said. Because if you're poor, working class the mere aspiration of getting something for that work didn't get you anything did it?