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Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, on Mumsnet for a webchat

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JustineMumsnet · 03/05/2010 13:53

Do post your advance questions here.

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flockwallpaper · 03/05/2010 16:42

We have once again close to 3 million unemployed. What is a labour government going to do to encourage small and medium sized businesses to grow and take on new staff?

NotYetAMum1 · 03/05/2010 16:41

Hello Mr Brown.

We have been unable to afford a house for a number of years.

The reasons for rising prices are always shrouded in mist in the political/media debate.

What would you say to the following accusations?

In his 1997 budget, Brown abolished dividend tax credits on pension funds. Companies saw the writing on the wall and immediately ended their final salary pension schemes to new employees shortly after the 'Brown raid'. They also started to cut down on the number of people with long final salary pension service and worked towards ending a scheme which would no longer be viable.

  • The CBI opposed Browns Tax credit cuts. Even the treasury and No.10 opposed them. [But Mr Brown made the cuts anyway.]

2.] By abolishing the pensions tax credit, the yield for institutional funds across the entire market fell by 20 per cent. Few people outside the City understood the change and hardly any MPs protested. But Whitehall papers produced under the Freedom of Information act showed that Mr Brown was warned by his officials and by the Treasury that there would be dire consequences.
They warned it would wipe £50bn off the value of funds, and that shares could drop by up to 20 per cent and public sector pensions would need topping up.

  • The value of pension funds have since lost around £5bn per year since the 1997 tax relief cuts. Pension funds holding the cash that almost everyone in the country had planned to use for our retirement have lost around £100 billion over the last 12 years.

3.] The advice Mr Brown was given by this Treasury Paper, in 1997 was as follows:

'The changes in incentives are likely to lead to substantial changes in portfolios. Pension funds will find equity relatively less attractive, and will prefer other assets ? particularly interest bearing securities and foreign equity ? and may also be prompted to consider more direct property investment.'

Those funds were then channelled into fuelling an unsustainable property bubble, BTL portfolios, which developed because of Labours complete lack of regulation of the Banks.This was followed by ever increasing toxic mortgage debt, and this was followed by the bank bailouts.

This is just one example of Gordon Browns incompetent decision making which helped to create the cornerstone of the debt bubble.

4.] In the ten years previous to Mr Browns Raid on pensions, From 1987 to 1997 the Average House Price rose from £40k to £55k.
A 33.3% rise over ten years.
From 1997 [post pension tax dividend cuts] to 2007, the Average House Price rose from £55k to £190k [Nationwide Building Society figures]
A staggering 245% increase over the same period. [Ten years.]

The UK debt bubble stopped inflating at the end of 2003.

But then, Chancellor Brown removed housing costs from the inflation index (in December 2003, from RPI to CPI), despite Bank of England's opposition, to force the Bank to keep interest rates low. Too low.

The UK should not be facing the debt we are facing, and The Labour Party are guilty of gross fiscal mismanagement and criminal negligence.

Why should a younger generation pay for your debt?
Whilst keeping your house prices artificially inflated?
We are in effect paying for your houses, whilst being unable to afford our own.

We have already been forced to waste tens of thousands in rent over the last nine to ten years.
We are being forced into Debt Bondage.

Many hundreds of thousnads of disenchanted people, completely priced out of the housing market for a decade are looking at the Lib Dems.

The Tories, seem only interested in making the 'debt more affordable to pay,' as a pose to 'tackling the debt itself.'

You said in 1997 'I will not let House Prices get out of control.'

Tell the people about the debt transfer. Tell them how UNFAIR this is.
Tell the Truth.

Thankyou Very Much

chocolatebourbon · 03/05/2010 16:39

We know that female politicians exist and are working hard, but why their low profile in the election campaigns?

There is much more media coverage of the party leaders' wives - totally irrelevant and demeaning.

This, together with the constant bigotted focus on immigration, makes me feel that this country is moving backwards.

Nymphadora · 03/05/2010 16:27

Ooh another question, bit of a local issue basically if Trident goes pretty much a whole town here will collapse. Obviously a good way to save money etc but is there a way that they can be supported to redirect ghe industry rather than letting the local economy collapse?

MrJustAbout · 03/05/2010 16:19

Mr Prime Minister,

Your achievements of the past 13 years in focusing effort on the poor are about to be eliminated by a Tory government. In the interests of both the UK and your own legacy, would you step aside in order allow a Lib-Lab coalition to form?

HerBeatitude · 03/05/2010 16:19

Mr Brown, the conviction rate for reported rapes is 6%. Most reported rapes don't make it to court. Most rapes aren't even reported. In effect, men in this country have a license to rape women. The measures Harriet Harman (and the labour government) have been putting in place, have made no difference - we're still getting cases where it is very obvious that the men involved have not ensured consent and yet they are getting away with rape, because their lives are considered more valuable than those of women. What are you going to do about it if you are re-elected?

unfitmother · 03/05/2010 16:18

Good luck Mr Brown!

How do you propose to bring about electral reform?

StewieGriffinsMom · 03/05/2010 16:17

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LadyBlaBlah · 03/05/2010 16:12

I would just like to ask if Sue is still your friend?

Nymphadora · 03/05/2010 16:11

Hi Gordon just want to say good luck for Thursday and please start ignoring your spin people as they make things look worse!

People are talking of cuts to the public sector who ever gets in. Do you have specific areas in mind?

Dh is in education and I am in Social care. Both of us see tremendous waste higher up in the chain and major shortages on the ground yet there has been talk of not filling posts.

Dh is in particular wanting less goverment initiatives as they increase his work dramatically.He now has 3 f/t staff doing work that was done by 1 5 years ago. Is this likely to improve?

I would like reforms in Social Care to increase staff on the ground which would give massive decreases in staff sickness. I know when I am on maternity leave I will not be covered which leaves a gap in my team but the department budgets are set expecting staffing to be at 90%. how can cuts be made to this situation and still ensure the work is carried out?

JustineMumsnet · 03/05/2010 16:10

Reminder folks of our webchat rules and in particular only one question each - sorry should have put this in webchats topic and they would have been at the top of the page!

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Ledodgy · 03/05/2010 16:09

Gordon, in the same vein as some states in America on election day Can I ask for a national holiday being declared on Friday if you do get in again? I, like so many others want to stay up until the early hours watching the election and this is not conducive to work or the schoolrun the next morning. In fact if you start mentioning this one off national holiday in your campaign for the next few days you will undoubtedly win more votes.

herbietea · 03/05/2010 16:08

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Madsometimes · 03/05/2010 16:04

Mr Brown

I understand that you say that the economy is too fragile for cuts to be made in 2010, and so you will delay cuts until 2011.

If the economy is still showing weakness in 2011, does that mean that you will further delay cuts, or will you carry on with your planned cuts regardless?

Meglet · 03/05/2010 16:03

Well, I've got bath and bedtime to negotiate this evening so I might miss it all, but it's safe to say labour has got my support anyway. Good luck on Thursday, not looking great at the moment but stranger things have happened.

Tax credits = good (and Thank God). I work part time for low paid local government and we would be screwed without them.

On the whole I just don't trust the tories not to be their old 1980's bigoted selves so despite DC seeming like a good bloke (and I have grudging respect for Ken Clarke) they won't have my vote.

And to settle any arguments I think my homemade double choc bics are the best.

jonicomelately · 03/05/2010 16:02

Can I say that I want you to know that despite what Paxman said to you not everybody hates you. Some people appreciate you have been true to yourself during this campaign and respect you for that.

Should you lose the election (which I pray to God you don't) I want to wish you the best of luck in the future. I'm sure that you'll be welcomed with open arms in the City or Harvard University or wherever it may be that will appreciate a first-class brain.

You seem to have people around you, your family, who really admire and care for you. Who cares what journos and the electorate think when you have that

Good luck.

Molesworth · 03/05/2010 16:01

PS I think your campaign team should put Tony firmly back in his box

rosieposey · 03/05/2010 16:00

Hello Gordon, i just want to say that without a Labour government i would have been up the creek without a paddle when i found myself a single parent of three young daughters 7 years ago.

I didnt realise until i was in the postion of needing help myself how much Labour have done to help people out who are vunerable and in dire straits. My question is, we all know that there is no money left in the pot and that getting us anywhere near back on our feet will require huge cuts to the public sector, why haven't any of the parties been honest about this - including yourselves?

I think everybody knows that whoever gets in on Thursday will have inherited a poisoned chalice but i think honesty would gain you far more votes and give your party a lot more respect from potential voters.

I will vote for Labour on Thursday, good luck Gordon

ellaeleven · 03/05/2010 15:59

Mr Brown,

I am so worried that as of Friday I may be repeating what my parents had to do and that is bring up my children under a Conservative government. Despite being a chid at the time I remember how hard it was for them, as well as the high level of crime. Please do whatever it takes (campaign through the night, agree to the reform the Lib Dems want if you can enter a pact) to ensure we dont go back to those dark days of the eighties. My child goes to an excellent school and I recently gave birth in a hospital which has improved vastly under your government. Yes there is still much to do but I believe your party has the best interests of the many over the privledged few. Good Luck

policywonk · 03/05/2010 15:58

Hello Gordon. Fingers crossed for Thursday.

In hindsight, do you wish you'd gone further in reform of the electoral system over the last 13 years? If you had, wouldn't you now be sitting fairly pretty, regarding the prospect of a sound mandate for a Lib-Lab government?

IagreewithNick · 03/05/2010 15:56

I just want an answer on which services are going to be cut. I would also like to ask if he thinks we have become too dependent on tax credits.

Muppet and co I have just come back from watching Morris Dancers while eating a cream tea and drinking English Ale. When I ran a mother and toddler group we told the story of the 3 pigs and often sang baa baa black sheep, we were never once ambushed by the police. I am quite secure in my English heritage, maybe the fact you are not is more to do with you than anything else.

I now feel a little rude, this is a thread for our PM and I have spent more time talkig to a muppet.

ben10isgr8 · 03/05/2010 15:56

Hi Gordon. I agree with ppers regarding "bigotgate" People I have spoken to online and in real life don't think you should have appologised and the recording (while avoidable) actually made people warm to you. These things happen to us all.

I am another voice calling for real honesty about cuts ...I have already sent my vote for Labour! I also persuaded dh to vote labour rather than SNP this time .

We know cuts are coming and are all waiting for real answers.

The debates were interesting but to be honest all the point scoring, not answering, he said/she said blather gets very irritating. I want honest politics and honest politicians.

Ledodgy · 03/05/2010 15:55

Hello Gordon,

Will you be getting rid of Primary SATS especially those for Year 2s? They have no real value and more strength should be placed on teacher assessment. Schools are using valuable teaching time to groom children for these particular tests rather than giving them a good all round education.

Also will you start doing Ofsted reports without pre-warning the schools?

PS. Next time you are in the same room as David Cameron can you trip him up for me?

Ledodgy · 03/05/2010 15:55

Hello Gordon,

Will you be getting rid of Primary SATS especially those for Year 2s? They have no real value and more strength should be placed on teacher assessment. Schools are using valuable teaching time to groom children for these particular tests rather than giving them a good all round education.

Also will you start doing Ofsted reports without pre-warning the schools?

PS. Next time you are in the same room as David Cameron can you trip him up for me?

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