Tory....AND PROUD!

linctash - I don't normally make comments such as this, but if you're going to call us all 'dim' please make the effort to spell correctly.

Mrs Beeton,

I think we should have good public services and everyone who works should have decent terms and conditions. I also believe workers have the right to strike.

However, I shall be voting Tory because I come from an immigrant background and grammar schools provide the only way that the children of low waged people get a chance to compete for a place at a good school.

Labour want to get rid of grammar schools so they won't be getting my vote.

bollocks

Oh dear. I think MrsBeeton should read the Conservative manifesto. OK, so here is the practicalities of the "Big Society", forgive me that I use the NHS as an example, but since I volunteer to help at my local hospital that is where my experience is. The "Big Society" is supposed to be supplied by three groups: 1) voluntary groups of local people, 2) charities 3) private companies

1. Voluntary groups running NHS services. Clearly non-medical individuals cannot provide medical care, but they could manage them. Why would they, voluntarily? Hospital budgets are large and taking over a service, like say hip operations, would require the skills to handle budgets of several million pounds. Few people with the skills to do that would want to do it voluntarily. People who do not have the skills will not be given the budget for obvious reasons.

2. Charities. Many charities have the skills of delivering services and handling budgets. They provide social care in many areas. However, I am not sure if many charities would actually want to take over a service from an NHS hospital. There is still a great regard for the NHS in the population and charities are more inclined to help an supplement the NHS rather than take over an NHS service. No one I know in a charity wants to take services from an NHS hospital.

3. Private sector. This is the real reason for the "Big Society". Lansley talks about "co-ops of doctors" taking over NHS services. That may sound nice, but when you consider that any surplus that the "co-op" makes on providing the service will end up paying for this year's new Merc when before the hospital would have used it to either subsidise another NHS service or provide some new service, you then start to realise that the "Big Society" and the "ring fence" is a cunning plan to take money out of the NHS.

Please think carefully before you vote. The Conservative plan to get rid of targets will get rid of the 18 week limit on waiting lists. It will also mean cuts to NHS hospitals as money is taken away from them and handed to private companies. The "Big Society" is a way of the public purse to support private healthcare. This seems odd from Conservatives who usually believe in free markets and competition, not being propped up by the public purse.

Troll (Internet). Also urbandictionary

"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

"Do you feel lucky.......well do you, punk ?"

Why should I feel lucky? You're a common-or-garden troll so I'm not going to bother. Later, 10$3|^.

@crystal123

I find the easiest targets are extremists - the looney left and the far right, and the devout moslems. Also im this category are Bush supporters (mostly all gone now), suvivalists and obviously the gay brigade and the animal rights morons (there really easy). The hardest to wind up are middle ground politics, i think most of them are too dim and straight laced to even notice there being wound up......

@TerryWogansCock

Is it a Bantam or Rhode Island Red?

why thankyou

Linctash. Morning, I loved your post, your such a wind up, I'm a veggie, but I couldn't care less if someone criticised me for it, or ate 100 piggies all at once! I feel it shows how 'thick' people are on this site, they get so angry....Cinnamon toast; Crystal, "I'm so angry" Why is this turnip head angry? by words in print, from a stranger she doesn't even know. Makes you think, doesn't it? Roll on May the 6th, this lot (libdems) don't like it up em!!

Terrywoganscock. You have the most vulgar nickname on this site!! That's saying something! How boorish, uncouth, but hey, ho, that's the state that this country is in.

MrsBeeton

I used to vote Tory. I'm ashamed that I was ever so gullible.

Tory Policy, as with Labour and the Lib Dems:

In the European Union and run by the European Union, Most of our laws are made by the European Union. An ever decreasing number of issues are decided in Westminster.

If you are relaxed about that, carry on.

"So your modus operandi is to quote unlinked figures, await a response, respond with a link to a reputable source, and then chalk another point up to you on a big scoreboard?"

No, it just makes it much more difficult to work out if im bluffing or not :D

Do you feel lucky.......well do you, punk ?

"Nah, many more debating points to be scored by posting them unquoted and then clobbering people with the link when they challenge it. This is militant blitzkrieg debating, were not here to be nice :D "

So your modus operandi is to quote unlinked figures, await a response, respond with a link to a reputable source, and then chalk another point up to you on a big scoreboard?

In your previous posts you stated you wanted to 'balance out the seesaw' away from the Left wing bias that you saw on MN. To do this you're treating debates on here as series of skirmishes (hence the blitzkreig analogy) in which you're seeking to crush the opposition with overwhelming factual firepower.

I'm not taking the piss, I'm just genuinely fascinated by this approach...

no, more like this

Gotta love labour local government politicians.

it because of this innit?

"By BertieBotts Thu 22-Apr-10 23:40:26
If these figures are all only now the worst since 1996/7, then surely that means they have all been better in between this period, ie the period that labour have been in power. "

Or conversely they fell because the previous Tory governments good financial management that created the boom labour inherited, and then when that effect wore off it began to creep up and up as labour didnt have a clue when left to manage it alone. Its still rising.

"By Kevlarhead Thu 22-Apr-10 23:38:30
Lincstash, I was agreeing with you about Mandelson for a minute there...

BTW though, if you're going to quote a source, you should probably cite it, or link to it. Just means people know where you've got the figures from. "

Nah, many more debating points to be scored by posting them unquoted and then clobbering people with the link when they challenge it. This is militant blitzkrieg debating, were not here to be nice :D

If these figures are all only now the worst since 1996/7, then surely that means they have all been better in between this period, ie the period that labour have been in power.

Lincstash, I was agreeing with you about Mandelson for a minute there...

BTW though, if you're going to quote a source, you should probably cite it, or link to it. Just means people know where you've got the figures from.

Unemployment has soared to a 12-year high of more than 2.2 million after a record number of people lost their jobs in recent months, gloomy new figures showed today.

The jobless total increased by 232,000 in the three months to April to reach 2.26 million, the worst figure since the end of 1996.

The number of people claiming jobseeker's allowance increased by 39,300 in May to 1.54 million, the highest total since the summer of 1997.

The so-called claimant count has now increased for 15 months in a row.

Other figures from the Office for National Statistics showed that youth unemployment has reached its worst level since 1994 after a 74,000 increase in the number of 18 to 24-year-olds out of work to 695,000.

Long term unemployment, counting those out of work for more than a year, increased by 54,000 in the latest quarter to a 10-year high of 515,000.

Meanwhile, the number of people in work fell by 271,000 over the three months to 29.11 million, the biggest quarterly slump since comparable records began in 1971.

Conclusions:

1. Its the usual story with Labour, spend spend spend, wait for the bust and watch unemployment rocket. Seen that with every Labour government since 1960.
2. Youth unemployment rockets as bottom end jobs are turned into minimum wage agency jobs and taken by immigrants. Jobs for under-25's in Nu Labours Britain? Don't make me laugh!
3. Once you hit 55 in this society you become unemployable. Well done Gordon, you've managed to make both ends of the job market useless.

ooh lincstash you sum them up so politely. Also can't believe those that have fallen for the Clegg if they had listened on the radio and not watched TV he sounded diabolical but sadly people like image not substance. this means Sam Cam needs to glam up a bit to appeal to the yoof. But i think she's got it right

Ah Mrs beeton,we of the more sensible persuasion are a bit thin here, as you already worked out MN is full of looney lefty teachers, champagne socialists, and social workers. (When i was at UNI, written above the toilet roll holder in the loo was the words "Sociology Degrees, please help yourself).

I too am her to point out that labour, far from being Party of the Century, are indeed a bunch of lying, thieving, two faced pocket lining incompetant crooks. My favorite hate is the slimy toad Peter Mandelson, who has brought utter disgrace to public office by repeatedly lining his own pocket by abusing his public position.

They certainly dont like it here when you point out the bollox and fantasy labour spouts, and the way the truth is just something other people tell, eg the promised referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, that Brown lied to us about. Not to mention the crap he spouted about 13,000 immigrants.

Welcome, always room for one more member of the sensible politics.

Mrs B have you gone to bed or are you having supper. don't leave us inthe lurch loving this thread