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Heres what a hung Parliament will do

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lincstash · 18/04/2010 09:42

WE have been there before, with both Wilson and Heath.

No one can rule with a minority government. Its an abortion. Nothing radical, nothing decisive can get passed into law. Nothing gets decided, no real advancement can be made, everything is fudge and a compromise.

IF we get a hung parliament, Labour will retain power (as the incumbent governments right to), completely unable to do anything decisive about the economy, and eventually, after being defeated in multiple votes government will collapse with a year, and another election will ensue. You only need a major bill such as the Finance Bill to get destroyed by the opposition, and thats thats.

Meanwhile, the militant left wing unions (UNITE and GMB) will set about ejecting Labours Blairites and Brownites from the party , (as they have promised they can and will), and whilst labour struggles along in the minority in westminster, civil war will rip the party apart as the unions seize control and force the party back to socialist far left. Policy making and decision making will cease within the government

Meanwhile, the worlds financial markets will see the political chaos, pull the plug on our credit rating and that will be it, game set an match. The economy will collapse, and the World Bank will be forced to step in, as it did with the Wilson Government. We will then be a prime target for the EU vultures to take further control of us.

THis is not speculation, this is based on previous times in our history when we have been in this position. We are the 5th largest economy because we always have had majority governments. If you want examples of what happens to countries with minority rules, look at places like Italy, Argentina, Brazil. 3rd rate counties because they cant be ruled decisively.

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ahundredtimes · 19/04/2010 20:21

It's going to lead to civil war apparently PW.

We should all be very afraid.

I'm personally loving how earlier on Lincs blamed the current labour government for dismantling the empire and the industrial revolution. He makes extraordinary leaps. So agile for a man with such poor spelling.

policywonk · 19/04/2010 20:20

UK workers want fair access to UK construction projects Would have thought that one would be quite popular with nationalists.

abride · 19/04/2010 20:20

'"one of the most influential countries in the last 1000 years" - are you having a laugh?'

Like it or not, this is actually correct. It may be fashionable (yawn) to decry the role of Britain in history but you can't deny that the role existed.

Quite a bit of it is actually worth being proud of, actually.

And it's also correct to point out that a downgrading of our credit rating would be disastrous. The National Debt isn't just some theoretic construct. We would have to pay far more for our loans from the IMF et al. Translate that into new hospitals and schools not being built (or refurbished) because we can't afford to borrow the money and you start to see how dreadful it could be.

policywonk · 19/04/2010 20:18

Unite4Labour's programme: 'we believe Labour best serves your interests and those of your union. Nowhere is this truer than on the economy and job security... clear and consistent actions to lock in the recovery, keep investing in jobs and skills, support businesses and keep people in their homes whilst paying back debt by getting people into work and fairer taxes.'

Blatcherism at its finest. It's hardly the Communist bleeding Manifesto.

Fliight · 19/04/2010 20:17

Lincstash you are now talking complete crap. Goodbye.

snickersnack · 19/04/2010 20:16

It's "we're", not "were". "We're talking about society now" because you mean "we are". So much for a good education.

Anyhow. A hung parliament would do us a lot of good in the long run. The electoral system is screwed. If today's polls are right the LibDems could win the popular vote and come a distant third in terms of seats. You can't tell me that's democracy in action.

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lincstash · 19/04/2010 20:16

UNITE have promised a Winter of Discontent if they dont get ther eown way, and I cant see the Brownites letting go of power easily.

Furthermore, if Brown aonly managed a hung parliment, he will lose massive amounts of support anyway. Theres already been several attempts to depose him, but the party whips have kept all the dissenters in line with the promise Brown will come up with the goods at an election. When he fails, the dam will burst, and the vulture will circle, and his internal support will melt away. All hell will then break lose as the militants demand ministerial posts for some of the 167 MP's the pay for.

Now, can you imagine this happening while Labour are also a minority government, trying to win motions and passing Bills and having to court the LibDems - and lets face it, Nick Clegg will want ministerial positions for him and his mates in exchange for supporting labour.

A hung Parliament is going to be a long drawn out train crash .

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ahundredtimes · 19/04/2010 20:15

Ahem. 'you're' the racist.

It's that pesky 60s education of yours isn't it?

You are becoming unbalanced again Lincs, you sound it tbh.

ahundredtimes · 19/04/2010 20:14

But Cat, none of them have any money. I can't get particularly wound up about Unite. I'm more worried about shadowy, individual donors tbh. Though I take your point. The finances of all political parties need to be cleared up.

AitchTwoZone · 19/04/2010 20:10

did you really just say you were here first?! did you?! lolololololol.

lincstash · 19/04/2010 20:10

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catinthehat2 · 19/04/2010 20:10

100x -
The LAbour party has never had so little cash as now. It is skint. This is the opportune time to get some bang for the only buck which is keeping LAbour alive.

MOney = power.

policywonk · 19/04/2010 20:08

Agree with 100x - Unite have had Labour by the balls for at least a couple of years now. I'm not seeing the workers' takeover that I'd have hoped for, frankly.

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lincstash · 19/04/2010 20:07

"By Fliight Mon 19-Apr-10 19:59:47
Catinthehat, it's the other stuff that throws people right off though...all this 'if you dare to suppress my heritage and culture you can fuck off'

Like the British Empire didn't do that to millions of people for decades "

See, its irrelevant. were talking about society NOW. And in THIS society NOW, Labour has made a big fuss about 'multiculturalism' - except of course, people like you dont think the english are entitled to a culture. Its the usual hypocrisy from the left wing class obsessed pro EU anti-english racists.

h look it was me that was first..

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AitchTwoZone · 19/04/2010 20:06

hahaha. i can see i played right into your hairy hands there, lincstash.

and yes, this really is why i'd rather there were no men on mn.

thesecondcoming · 19/04/2010 20:04

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lincstash · 19/04/2010 20:04

"By AitchTwoZone Mon 19-Apr-10 19:59:47
this is why i'd prefer not to have men on mn.

and lololololol at 'My family have lived here, in this county, a thousand years, and were going nowhere.' "

AH a sexist man hater.

Funny how its ok for women to be sexist but if men do it you all jump up and down.

Tell you what, theres nothing more hypocritical than a sexist female left winger.

And if you have no personal history, dont mock other peoples. Presumably no records exist of your parentage thats why you bitter.........

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ahundredtimes · 19/04/2010 19:59

But why do you think they will seek exercise power now Cat? Rather than at any point over the last 12 years? Isn't this just VERY old hat reds under the beds stuff?

Fliight · 19/04/2010 19:59

Catinthehat, it's the other stuff that throws people right off though...all this 'if you dare to suppress my heritage and culture you can fuck off'

Like the British Empire didn't do that to millions of people for decades

AitchTwoZone · 19/04/2010 19:59

this is why i'd prefer not to have men on mn.

and lololololol at 'My family have lived here, in this county, a thousand years, and were going nowhere.'

ahundredtimes · 19/04/2010 19:57

Lincstash - you can't accuse people of being poorly educated unlike your good self, and then litter your posts with poor spelling and lousy syntax. Well you can, but it doesn't look good.

catinthehat2 · 19/04/2010 19:57

Personal jibes aside, I would struggle to pick holes in his Sunday 17.46 post:

"United Left predict that other militant unions - 'many of whom pay substantial amounts to New Labour' - will join the battle to reclaim Labour by the extreme Left.

Unite believes that Labour will have no choice over switching political direction because the party will collapse without its huge donations. In 1997, 40p in every £1 of the party's funds came from the unions. Now it is double that figure

The Unions have Labour by the balls, and they have every intention of winding back to 1972 and the Winter of Discontent. Nearly 150 seats that Labour is contesting at the election are directly funded by Unite. Thirteen members of the Cabinet - half of the total and including Mr Brown - have received a total of £33,000 from the union. 167 Labour MPs and candidates are also paid-up members of Unite."

I am sure Lincstash will stand by these points. They are awkward and disagreeable points, but pretty much unavoidable unless you are particularly naive.

DroosieCat · 19/04/2010 19:50

...but Lincstash - haven't we just had 14 years of New Labour (Old Conservatives). Apart from some excellent stuff Labour have achieved with SureStart centres and some new hospitals and schools I cannot see that they have done too much different from what the Tories would have done on lots of issues.

Disclaimer - I know NOTHING about the financial side of things or whether or not GB did anything like a good or bad job as Chancellor.

All I know is that I am in the poorest 20% of the population and whoever gets in are not going to make me any richer.

Fliight · 19/04/2010 19:40

I didn't say the Japanese invented computers, I said my computer is Japanese. Are there still computers manufactured over here? Well, yes, I expect there are a few, but not by any means as many as are made in the far east.

and why is that? Because they are far, far more efficient at it than we are.

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lincstash · 19/04/2010 19:37

"By ChoChoSan Mon 19-Apr-10 17:54:02
Thanks Lincstash for telling us, the ignorant dumbos of Mumsnet, what a hung parliament will lead to..we are grateful that you magnanimously allow us to share in your truth...

...er, and what's wrong with a socialist party?"

  1. This is a discussion board, dumbass, that means people post there views and opinions, If they dont , there's no discussion. You can tell when people run out of discussion points, they resort to sarcasm and insult, like you just did.
  1. There's nothing wrong with socialism, especially of the George Orwell variety. However, the Labour party isnt socialist, and hasnt been for 28 years, and the war that will ensue to shift it left will cripple the labour party, and if they are in government, destroy the governance of the country. How can you possibly imagine a minority government, which will already have its hands full staying in power, can cope with being torn apart by civil war as well?

"By Fliight Mon 19-Apr-10 17:55:52

I take it you are a fully subbed member of the Nationalist party then, Lincs?

I just don't get why YOUR family is so much more blardy important than any other of the folk on this earth.

and btw my computer is decidedly Japanese. "

  1. no, im not a member of any political party.
  2. I never said it was, all i pointed out was we'd been here a long time.
  3. Charles Babbage, FRS (26 December 1791 ? 18 October 1871) was an English Mathematician, philosopher, inventor, and mechanical engineer who originated the concept of a programmable computer. Tory reading more English history. If you were educated by Labour then you will have no idea of english history, so i forgive your ignorance.

"By thesecondcoming Mon 19-Apr-10 18:54:36

i think if lincstash were writing in pen it'd be green crayon,or letters cut out of the paper and glued... wink "

Anybody educated boy labour in the last 14 years will. I was educated in the 60's, before all the looney left invaded teaching and fucked it up with brainless left wing dogma. Like most of the looney left here, i see you have no intelligent arguments so you resort to ridicule and sarcasm. Presumably thinking up counterpoints is too difficult ?

As for 'meltdown'...........dream on, i told you in no uncertain terms what i thought of the posters idiot remarks, hardly amounts to a meltdown, let me check............nope no valium, no men in white coats, still here. And still noone has any intelligent counterpoints, just a pack of idiot looney left, using the usual tactics. Im surprised no one has use the 'racist' word yet, that a good looney left standby tactic - whos going to be first?

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