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Heres what a hung Parliament will do

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lincstash · 18/04/2010 09:42

WE have been there before, with both Wilson and Heath.

No one can rule with a minority government. Its an abortion. Nothing radical, nothing decisive can get passed into law. Nothing gets decided, no real advancement can be made, everything is fudge and a compromise.

IF we get a hung parliament, Labour will retain power (as the incumbent governments right to), completely unable to do anything decisive about the economy, and eventually, after being defeated in multiple votes government will collapse with a year, and another election will ensue. You only need a major bill such as the Finance Bill to get destroyed by the opposition, and thats thats.

Meanwhile, the militant left wing unions (UNITE and GMB) will set about ejecting Labours Blairites and Brownites from the party , (as they have promised they can and will), and whilst labour struggles along in the minority in westminster, civil war will rip the party apart as the unions seize control and force the party back to socialist far left. Policy making and decision making will cease within the government

Meanwhile, the worlds financial markets will see the political chaos, pull the plug on our credit rating and that will be it, game set an match. The economy will collapse, and the World Bank will be forced to step in, as it did with the Wilson Government. We will then be a prime target for the EU vultures to take further control of us.

THis is not speculation, this is based on previous times in our history when we have been in this position. We are the 5th largest economy because we always have had majority governments. If you want examples of what happens to countries with minority rules, look at places like Italy, Argentina, Brazil. 3rd rate counties because they cant be ruled decisively.

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solo · 19/04/2010 20:55

Well, I don't mind telling you all; I'm confused. I don't want to vote Labour or Tory and I'm worried about any of the others getting in, so what do I X against?

ahundredtimes · 19/04/2010 20:48

re Civil War. I should have said

It's going to lead to civil war in the labour party PW.

Then you'd have felt better and not misunderstood and misquoted. Okay. I understand.

AitchTwoZone · 19/04/2010 20:48

how do you want this internet conversation to go, lincstash? what do you seek to gain here?

ahundredtimes · 19/04/2010 20:46

'now you got an intelligent points to make?'

do you mean

now, have you got any intelligent points to make?

You can be VERY difficult to understand. I just want to be clear.

ahundredtimes · 19/04/2010 20:45

I think british history is FASCINATING abride

But I wouldn't want my understanding of that history to lead me to a narrow, brittle, scared and vulnerable position whereby I now thought myself UNDER THREAT. It's a scared, limited view point.

My understanding of our conflicted, bloody, fascinating history of wars, land grabs, democracies and power-broking leads me to realize this really isn't the case.

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lincstash · 19/04/2010 20:44

"By ahundredtimes Mon 19-Apr-10 20:29:28
No you didn't actually."

Yes i did, actually, i said it several times in several posts. What part of

"whilst labour struggles along in the minority in westminster, civil war will rip the party apart as the unions seize control and force the party back to socialist far left."

doesnt refer to the labour party? Its quiet clear the entire sentence refers to civil war within labour.

DEFINITION: CIVIL WAR
war between factions in the same body, organisation or country.

Seems to fit as far as i can see.

Now, you got an intelligent points to make, or are you operating at full intellectual debating capacity?

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policywonk · 19/04/2010 20:44

Oh, and re. Unite forcing Labour so far left that a coalition breaks down - can I see that happening - no. a) Because Unite, from what I can see, really isn't very left wing; and b) because there are about four properly left-wing MPs in the Labour party.

policywonk · 19/04/2010 20:43

lincstash, that's one scenario. But that's all it is - a scenario. I disagree with you about how things would play out, and I'm not the only one (somebody posted a link today to a blog by the Daily Telegraph's finance correspondent, basically saying that a coalition government wouldn't be any big deal).

catinthehat2 · 19/04/2010 20:40

I have been putting my tinfoil hat on and off hourly reagrding that volcano!

policywonk · 19/04/2010 20:39

For quite a lot of the period between 1000 and 1500, we were ruled by France

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lincstash · 19/04/2010 20:38

If you read the original posts, Unite and the GMB provides a majority chunk of Labours funding. They have Labour by the balls, because they command 167 MP's.

The worst that will happen is labour are forced to adopt more left wing policies that the LibDems find unacceptable and agreement breaks down. Furthermore, UNITE want to sieze power from the Brownites and Blairites, and place ther eown men in all those posts. Can you see that happening?

The money markets are only interested in our ability to repay the EPIC nation debt labour has run up, if the government look even slightly unable to stay in control, they will panic and run. A hung Parliament would create a dangerous power vacuum that will seriously put the willies up the stock market.

UBS have also warned that the lack of clarity would trigger a run on sterling that could result in a debt crisis similar to that in Greece. Sterling hit a seven week high against the dollar yesterday closing at $1.54.

Furthermore, if the epic national debt in not cut, Britain will lose its top grade credit rating. Last month, Standard & Poors, the leading rating agency, kept a negative outlook on the UK's AAA rating which it said was "in the absence of a strong fiscal consolidation plan."

A hung parliament governed by a minority party riven by internal civil war is going to be a death knoll to us. We had a Liberal-Labour pact in 1977-78, it was nothing less than war, and a disaster.

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catinthehat2 · 19/04/2010 20:38

Ah well, indeed!
I have been admiring the high quality fence posts (big enough for a horse paddock)being used to support the little cardboard Libdem diamond posters. MOney to burn.

AitchTwoZone · 19/04/2010 20:37

i think the volcano is a tory troublemaker, fo' sho'.

ahundredtimes · 19/04/2010 20:35

Cat - meanwhile I've had lots of leaflets from my Conservative ppc courtesy of Mr Ashcroft

abride · 19/04/2010 20:34

Not really, no I don't. I would agree that there was 'more going on' post 1500, though! Though my son, passionate about the early Plantaganets, tells me I am simply ignorant of history pre Henry VII.

catinthehat2 · 19/04/2010 20:32

PW - I think you need to mobilise very few bodies these days to make things vv difficult actually now. Train drivers? Firemen? Petrol tanker drivers?At the same time? WOUld be interesting.

ahundredtimes · 19/04/2010 20:29

No you didn't actually.

you said 'whilst labour struggles along in the minority in westminster, civil war will rip the party apart as the unions seize control and force the party back to socialist far left. Policy making and decision making will cease within the government'

I understand that is what you meant to say, but you didn't. Because a civil war is a war between CITIZENS of THE SAME COUNTRY. That's what it means.

You were using over-excited, inaccurate language to drive your point home but you used the wrong words. Possibly because you don't know what civil war means?

catinthehat2 · 19/04/2010 20:28

100x -
I think Labour is bouncing along the bottomest bit of the barrel bottom cash wise.
I haven't seen a single scrap of Labour paperwork through my door, no window posters, nothing in front gardens. It is utterly weird at this stage of an election round here.

policywonk · 19/04/2010 20:25

'Unite have promised a winter of discontent' - well they can promise what they like, they won't be able to deliver it because the workforce is largely de-unionised (more's the pity IMO).

Re. fiscal crisis in the event of a hung parliament - I don't doubt that there would be short-term jitters. WHat I do doubt is that there would be any serious long-term consequences. What's the worst that could happen - Vince Cable as Chancellor? Don't tell me the international markets would run off screaming at the prospect. They'd be perfectly happy. So long as any coalition government kept the wheels turning, everyone would settle down v quickly.

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lincstash · 19/04/2010 20:23

"By ahundredtimes Mon 19-Apr-10 20:21:18
It's going to lead to civil war apparently PW."

No thats not what I said. Misquoting me to try and make a point really does smack of desperation. But then, your a leftwinger, you wouldnt know what the truth looks like anyway.

I said it would lead to internal civil war within the Labour party.

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catinthehat2 · 19/04/2010 20:23

I've posted this before on a thread involving L:

"Believe me, the kneejerk "RACIST!" shoutdown you employed doesn't actually work much any more in discussions about immigration, other than to drive yet more people into the arms of the BNP.

You might want to think about why Lincs believes you are at heart an "anti-english racist bigot, who sticks two fingers up at my english culture".

It's no use continually doing the jeering ad hominem bit. No use wheeling out the small dick, mummy doesn't love you stuff. It is irrelevant. You need to address the reason why Lincstash believes what he believes. Why? What is going on? Why does he think this? He's here. Ask him.

Otherewise it's just a shouting match between some shouters of varying talent

ahundredtimes · 19/04/2010 20:23

abride - you don't think 1000 years is pushing it a bit?

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