Heres what a hung Parliament will do

Thanks pw,will check that out later.
100x, no I didn't see it, but will attempt the next one.

Heathen - I think it's fair to assume, or at least I very much HOPE he will be gone then.

Given the utterly shocking language he used about secondcoming's children, I think it's fair to assume that parenting isn't really his um, interest.

Solo - did you watch the tv debate? Will you watch the one on Thursday?

No I'm not bitter Linktash. My family go back a long way. Look up the name "Winter" if you want to see how far (Nov 5th being an important family date).

My history is of great interest to me. My 3 great uncles were officers in the RAF. My Grandfather and Great Grandfather were Captains in the Merchant Navy and my Grandmother was Bomber Haris' Driver (very angry man apparently). But I doubt that is of any interest to anyone outside my family.

Really impressed you can trace yours back through the Dark ages though.

As for Man hating? No, not at all. I merely wondered what succor you were after on Mums net?

solo - you could try the vote for policies site

So, lincstash... you're going to go away after the election, right?

I know nothing about libdems pw, but they may be the way to go for me. I suspect they'll win actually.

oooh there has been a rash of deletions.

solo - you don't want lab or tory - how do you feel about libdems?

I didn't say anything about masons. I don't think that some plonker with a trouser leg rolled up is more powerful than a billionaire. Money is power, not some lodge member. Of course there is an us and them division. The interests of the super rich are not the same as our interests. That is what the whole Labour party is based on, except that I think that Labour are also in the pocket of the super rich. That's why Mandelson has liaisons with Deripaska on a yacht off of Corfu. Money talks and Labour listens.

lincstash, may I invite you to look at the record of New Labour and compare it to the wishes of the unions? You will find significant distance. Tbh, if I were a union baron, I'd be wondering whether the political levy was worth it. As indeed some unions have.

The idea that the present government has been following orders from the unions is laughable.

Not so clear when it comes to Tory donors, of course... because their funding is less open and transparent and less moral. (Labour's being based on a means of funding political representation of people who are not rich enough to have any influence as individuals) And both parties stick big donors in the Lords, which is morally dubious.

That's a 'yes' then Claig. I take that to be a carefully worded way of saying 'yes' without actually needing to mention masons?

But still managing to conjure up a 'us' and 'them' division and unknown, shadowy evils so beloved of all conspiracy theories.

Right. Well. It's been fascinating. I'll you leave you two to it then.

ahundredtimes, I think that big business, multi-national corporations, capitalists and billionaires have an agenda to drive through a policy of globalisation. I don't think they give two hoots about the employment prospects and standard of living of us oiks.

For me to be persuaded by your powerful defence of his well-informed political opinions Claig I'm interested to know whether you too believe the masons a driving a plot towards a One World Government, and accompanying sub-plots such as the E.U.

That's why I ask.

I disagree with you on 'identity', sorry, but I do. Do you agree with him on the masons though?

I think there is room for improvement in Lincstashs's spelling, but that doesn't really matter, because he does have an understanding of politics. We can disagree with him, but there is no doubt that he is better informed than many. I think Lincstash comes across as a bit strident because he is trying to emphasise the need to continue to teach the history of the country and to maintain a British identity. I can understand this, because globalisation would like to do the opposite. Globalisation is for the benefit of big business and the ruling elite and doesn't care about people, their culture, traditions or history.

To get back to Labour funding. A few years ago, David Sainsbury, was single-handedly responsible for a very large part of Labour's funding. I don't know what his current role is. But if Labour manage to get back in, then there will be a queue of businessmen waiting to hand over money to the Labour party. Labour will then kowtow to business as per usual, and the union members will be shafted as they have been during Labour's period in office.

Lincstash - I have you to thank for actually doing some reading regarding the possibility of a hung parliment. Some sites support your views but some tbh do not support them and the view is that a hung parliament might not be the disaster being predicted.

Why are you so sure that YOU are right?

Not all the reading I have done supports your view that "the world's financial market will pull the plug on us"

Claig. Do you too think there is a conspiracy driven by the masons?

Thanks 100x.
The only leaflet I've had was Labour and I've had no one knock to ask for my vote.

I don't think anyone was underplaying the historical achievements of Britain Claig. I think they were picking up on the combination of patriotic fervour and a desperate fear of the future - which often makes for a queasy and uncomfortable mix, and it's fine to point that out.

I don't NEVER comment on peoples spelling btw. I just felt the need because he was so quick to dismiss us as dumbasses who have been badly educated due to left wing nutty teachers. Just saying. Quite tough to tell everyone else they are less well educated than himself, and then erm, well, you know.

I don't care about Lincstash's spelling, it is some of his ideas and knowledge that is interesting. He makes a good point about Britain's tremendous influence in the world over the last few centuries, I think that only France comes close in its influence. Bad things were done by both countries, but it cannot be denied that these countries changed the history of the world.

Lincstash is knowledgeable and brings in interesting facts about Charles Babbage, the industrial revolution and the history of the country. He makes an interesting point about the influence of the Unite union, which is a good point to debate. I am not a Labour fan, but I think Lincstash is wrong about Unite's power to change events, but I don't think Lincstash should be criticised so harshly for bringing this topic up. On Unite I agree with policywonk. I think that Brown et al. are not really very left-wing, I think they work for the establishment, and I think that the Unite bosses and most other union bosses do the same, with their £200,000 odd salaries. The end result is that they both screw the workers everytime. However, Brown will have to make more concessions to the unions to keep up the pretence that he is a socialist.

I think that all of the parties follow the same globalist agenda, which is not really to the benefit of the people. That is why computers and TVs are now made in the Far East. The British people are easily capable of making any of these goods, and are an ingenious people as stated by Lincstash who cited all of the inventions created by the British. However, globalisation has deliberately destroyed the manufacturing capacity of Britain and handed it over to other countries and allowed them to supply the market. All parties have carried out the same policy. It is also in the interests of globalisation to underplay and deny the historical achievements of the people of Britain. I think many people are being duped by the globalisation agenda of all of the parties.

Solo, I think lots of people feel this way tbh.

re Lincs last post. My understanding is that if there is a run on the pound - which there so easily could be - then there's a run on the pound.

If we've learnt anything recently, it's that the government simply don't control the money market or individual traders, and it could happen just as easily the day George Osborne steps into number 11 with a majority in parliament.

But I do expect to hear this talk a lot between now and polling day. If in doubt, get 'em scared.

I know! I bloody hate politics at any given time, but I want my vote to count ~ just don't know how to this time.

Well hang on, who do you want to rule the country? You've eliminated everybody there. Are you Prince Charles?