Is anyone else really scared of the prospect of waking up to a tory administration on May 7th?

lincstash- isn't the point that the Tories were originally proponents of the European project?

"By ilovemydogandmrobama Sun 18-Apr-10 17:17:02
lincstash you said, 'the man who sold us down the river to the EU'

Think you need to review your history as the Single European Act and the Maastricht Treaty (pillar of the EU) were brought in by a tory government. "

Well actually we were allowed to have a say on that, we had a referendum, remember?

Brown on the other hand promised a referendum on the Eu Constitution, and then wholly and totally went back on his promise, and instead of asking us as promised, slunk off on his own and signed it when he thought no one was looking, so he did indeed sell us down the river single handed, and simultaneously proved his word and promise is worthless, which is why anything he says at the moment can be safely ignored as pure spin and fantasy.

lincstash you said, 'the man who sold us down the river to the EU'

Think you need to review your history as the Single European Act and the Maastricht Treaty (pillar of the EU) were brought in by a tory government.

No, they did so well for this country. You have no reason to fear. You will be much better off with the Conservatives in power.

I am really worried the Tories will win - they fucked it all up last time with their 'every man for himself' shite and they will again

I joined the Conservative party recently because I thought it might help me be heard, We run a small family business, and businesses like this make a massively important contribution to this countries income in the form of tax, I want consideration of this, not just consideration for 'big businesses' alone. My family haven't had any form of pay rise since October 2005 as we daren't take any more out of our business than we do already. Our household income is less than it was 10 years ago, but at least we have work at present. I do think it is time public sector workers took a pay freeze, though to make it fairer and not penalize those on low income maybe pay should be frozen only for those earning perhaps 20k a year or more, after all we are paying their wages, yet we are the ones making sacrifices

I like your style Lincstash and agree with most of what you say.
DC is a knob though. A nice earnest one, but still a knob, with all the personality of a damp teacloth.

We are already hugely cutting the public sector now under Labour. Any public sector worker on here could tell us that, I'm sure. Public sector pensions need to be tackled too and also sick pay which is much more generous in the private sector.

Tebbit spells very well in his Telegraph blog.

I don't think being wary of Europe and what it aims to do is having dinosaur views at all. We should question if we do actually want closer integration on law, judicial, tax and monetary policy. Do we want to integrate and align our foreign policy with that of the EU? Is that best for the UK?

We also need to ask if we should adhere quite so closely to the legislation that comes from the EU, or like other countries should we just take and ignore the laws that don't suit us? Should we allow the EU to put companies out of business like the manufacturers of cricket bats that are about to go under due to EU legislation on the chemicals they use to ensure the willow is preserved for export to India and Sri Lanka.

What is reactionary about having a discussion about immigration and we deal with it in terms of infrastructure to cope; with how we police and punish, and especially how we deal with education? Let's face it, Labour has made a pigs ear of the latter.

Yes, the excess in public services is going to be hit. The MoD have been told that everyone and every thing are going to have to be justified. I think the public sector is too big and bloated and needs to change. My dh is a public sector employee. I don't see any other way apart from massive tax rises to deal with the deficit and the debt. Does anyone not think that this will happen whichever party gets in? If you don't then you are fooling yourselves.

Electra you're right I don't work in the public sector, I work in Insurance and DH is studying at the moment so don't start that crap about so long as it's not me as the insurance industry has been squeezed for years to get rid of waste. As I'm the sole breadwinner I know what it's like to worry about not being able to feed my family having had the threat of redundancy hanging over me for the last couple of years, but I bet you weren't worrying about people like me in that position!. The public sector is over resourced in many areas and as such why shouldn't it be cut back to reduce the countries debt, it should be run more like a private organisation, get rid of the final salary scheme, reduce management and admin posts and pay off some of the debt and get more nurses, midwives and the like.

Maybe it's Tebbit and the spelling is down to old age?

Don't insult John Redwood! I think you need to look far further right than the right of the Conservative party who can't or won't spell or use apostrophes correctly.
(Disclaimer - I'm not a Redwood follower!)

oh come on, I'm sure John Redwood can spell!

Lincstash - could actually be John Redwood or some other arch Tory outrider?

Yeh, controversially, I believe we should pay MPs more and demand high standards. Should also have fewer of them and should be prerequisite that they have had career outside politics. Xenia for PM

yes yes, the credit rating, absolutely. It will not affect me directly as I'm a saver rather than a borrower (no mortgage) - but I find it extraordinary that so many people on lowish incomes with mortgages are worried about Conservative cuts to services they use but not taking into account the fact that if Labour stay their outgoings are going to shoot up just because of the interest rate rise.

Terrified.

I look at who the Tories are in cahoots with in Europe - fascists, holocaust deniers, homophobes. I hear their dinosaur views on Europe. I hear their horrible, reactionary views on just about everything (immigration, law and order, education to name a few of the biggies). I hear Cameron wittering on about Family Values. I think about the implications for the public sector and particularly for my area (youth services) and I shudder. I think about Thatcher and the ruinous effect her government had on Britain.

I feel like crying.

Cameron is a wolf in sheep's clothing. mark my words, all but the most hardline Tory voters will be hanging their heads in shame in 10 years time if we let them get in.

I'm not scared of it at all. I would be very relieved although not exactly thrilled.

The prospect of waking up to a hung Parliament is far, far more scary - am I the only person who is worrying about this at the moment?? Isn't anyone else concerned about our credit rating? The three largest credit rating agencies have deferred making a decision on Britain debt rating until after the election, however unless detailed and realistic plans for reducing the deficit are then produced we're going to lose our AAA credit rating. This is likely to lead to a huge increase in interest rates which has a implications for anyone with mortgage - that's pretty terrifying to me.

Oh Lovecat, please don't insult Conservatives by suggesting that people like Lincstash will be in charge. The ones actually in charge will probably be considerably more moderate and definitely considerably more intelligent.

OP - terrified of it, esp. if it means people who think like lincstash (Millbank sockpuppet, anyone?)are going to be in charge.

Now that's a truly scary thought...

The pay is far too low and it's far too risky a thing to do.

no, not at all

it's how the outside world views the result which matters

the outside world, the financial world, investors, want a Conservative government

if they don't get one we'll be thrown to the wolves -- twill be apocalyptic I think

but anyway, former staunch labour voter here doing a u turn here out of pragmatism? cynicism? definitely self interest and definitely fury about education

Xenia- thinking of standing ?