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Anyone else shocked by Cameron's comment last night or is it just me?!

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andagain · 16/04/2010 09:32

Attempting to answer the very first question last night, the immigration one, Cameron said:
"I was in Plymouth recently and a black man told me that immigration is out of control in this country"! I fail to see what does the race of the man have anything to do with the statement unless: a) Cameron assumes that all black people must be immigrants in one way or another or b) he is just so proud of himself for managing to talk to a black man that he had to share it.

I really am gobsmacked!

And then he moved on to confusing China with North Korea when talking about the need for Trident as protection from rogue nuclear states!

Anyone else smells racism?!

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SusanSocks · 16/04/2010 11:35

i think it was a liar anyway.
there was no blackman

sharbie · 16/04/2010 11:34

Yes absolutely me and my 15yr old DS noticed quite actually.
Really don't think he did himself any favours at all last night.
Nick Clegg on the other hand came over very well.
Still undecided though.

animula · 16/04/2010 11:28

I think this just goes to show that a few months at RADA, or its equivalent, would have paid huge dividends.

He'd obviously been briefed, and practiced, and practiced, and still didn't get it right. Because he hadn't sufficiently 'incorporated' his character, and didn't quite understand the motivation.

So what he'd been told to aim for was a non-chromatic, nu-British line on immigration. But, sadly, he corpsed a bit, and supplemented it from his own experience. Hence what was quite clearly a complete gaffe.

I can see where he was supposed to be going with that one - but he did get it completely wrong.

I didn't even notice that, tbh. and I wonder if it's because it was exactly the sort of thing I'd expect him to say.

I'm more worried now, tbh, about the whole de-funding of the public sector. What came across really strongly for me, in the debate, and in the subsequent discussions afterwards, was the extent to which the whole 'volunteer society" is actually going to be public amenities delivered by wageless volunteers. As someone with dc in state education, and, yes, an NHS user, I am worried.

But that's off-topic ...

ShadeofViolet · 16/04/2010 10:54

I noticed it too, and the firts thing I thought was ' I bet someone on MN points it out'

I dont smell rasicm, just a bad choice of words though.

bluecardi · 16/04/2010 10:54

Think dc was just ticking the boxes -also mentioned state school, disabled child, carer, child on the way, mothercare, thanked army & nhs -

FabIsGoingToGetFit · 16/04/2010 10:53

It wasn't racism.

Aubergines · 16/04/2010 10:51

I am not sure that mentioning somebody's colour necessarily makes you a racist. I think we tie ourselves in knots about how to reference race and it would come across as less of an issue if we just relaxed, allowed people to acknowledge visual differences but emphasised that is all they are: differences in appearance. And those visual differences are not associated with differences in worth, skills, humanity etc.

I concede that might not have been the thought process behind DC's use of the word black.

Thromdimbulator · 16/04/2010 10:49

But I don't want political policy informed by encounters (chance or contrived) with various individuals around the country, whether it's an immigrant black (ex?)serviceman, or a black-cab driver. Proper research and examination of all the options should be behind policy - that's what I want to hear about.

And yes, I do smell racism.

noddyholder · 16/04/2010 10:41

No i watched it again and its def 30!

JollyPirate · 16/04/2010 10:39

As a floating and undecided voter I have to say DC crossed his party off my "possible" list last night.

SoupDragon · 16/04/2010 10:37

What did e actually say "I was in Plymouth recently and a black man told me that immigration is out of control in this country" or did he pu the "who came here when he was 6 in the same sentence.

If he just said black man, then colour is relevant since the man's ancestry obviously included immigrants so it is strange that he would complain about them. If he also said "who came here when he was 6" it's less relevant but, TBH, it's not racist.

Kneazle · 16/04/2010 10:36

I didn't notice that one but eeek what a huge mistake.

Fliight · 16/04/2010 10:36

Maybe the transcript is wrong and he actually said 13?

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flowerybeanbag · 16/04/2010 10:35

Yes I was shocked, I had to check with DH that I hadn't been hearing things. The others didn't pick him up on it though did they?

bobbiewickham · 16/04/2010 10:34

Yes, I raised my eyebrows at that one.

SparklyGothKat · 16/04/2010 10:33

lol, completely made up then, what a twat!

BariatricObama · 16/04/2010 10:32

it is his 'jo the plumber' moment! here's hoping the 'black man' comes forward and completely embarrasses him

LilyBolero · 16/04/2010 10:30

Imo this man did not exist, he was created on the spur of the moment to make DC 'sound good'. Unfortunately DC clearly can't do maths.

LilyBolero · 16/04/2010 10:30

Imo this man did not exist, he was created on the spur of the moment to make DC 'sound good'. Unfortunately DC clearly can't do maths.

TrillianAstra · 16/04/2010 10:24

I can see the point in referencing the man's skin colour - not just BNP white racists are anti-immigration.

noddyholder · 16/04/2010 10:24

But the colour of their skin is irrelevant to their being immigrants

MojoLost · 16/04/2010 10:23

He was making the point that not just the white english people but also the immigrants that re now english would benefit from better immigration control

Bumperliouzzzzzz · 16/04/2010 10:22

Yep, you're absolutely right, and I think DC is a twat, but I was trying to be 'balanced' as DH thinks I have an automatic hatred of the Tories!

noddyholder · 16/04/2010 10:22

cringe

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