Tell me why you are voting conservative this time

So what are you voting for if you vote for the tories?I'm not being sarcastic I really genuinely don't know. Up until they called the general election I was convinced I'd vote tory because I can't stand the current government. But suddenly now there is a real chance of doing so (and I'm in a swing seat) I'm just not so sure they're up to the job or have more of a clue what to do than the current lot. Lincstash I look forward to hearing your view.

Ah, see thats the trouble with champagne socialists like you, its doesnt matter how crooked they are as long as there one of the brothers, eh ?

As long as you can pretend to be socialist, and still send your kids to private schools, it doesnt matter how much public money people like mandelson steals, or how many lies he tells......

Labour is pure Thatcherism?

I would certainly leave Peter Mandelson alone with my children. What are you implying, precisely?

As for the rest - meh. I remember the last Tory government. As I said, I am a relativist.

As for ideology, i assume your not pretending labour is a socialst party? We havent had a socialist government for 28 years, labour is pure Thatcherism, pure Keynsian Monetarism and as such, more tory then the tories are - Blair stole Thatchers policies lock stock and barrel. even the kids of the Blairites and Brownites went to better, or as good as, schools than the tories leaders did.

Vote labour, your really voting for thatcherist conservatism, no less.

I object to Mandelson, he lines his pocket with yours an mine tax money. He become a Lord adn a Millionaire using the most loathesome and immoral methods, hes untrustworthy, deeply dishonest and a liar. The presence of such men in the Labour party shoudl ring massive warning bells about the moral collapse and endemic corruption presnt in Labour.

There policies are irrelevant. You wouldnt leave Mandelson alone with your kids or your wallet, woudl you, you certainly wouldn't trust him with your bank account of you career, and his presence, along with others like him such as Miliband, Balls, Harman, Ainswith, Jacqui Smith and Hazel Blears makes labour deeply deeply flawed and unfit to hold public office.

You are voting for a bunch of proven liars, incompetent idiots, and corrupt thieves.

I am a pragmatist. And a relativist, lincstash. There are things I dislike about Labour, but many, many more that I loathe about the Conservatives.
Ideology, for a start.

Tell me, onebatmother. If you vote labour, your going to put Peter Mandelson back into power, because although hes an unelected Lord, he sticks his nose in and managed to get himself into positions of power in government.

The man has been thrown out of public office twice because hes a liar and a cheat, hes an expert in lining his own pocket with public money, and he a slimy two faced traitor who will sell us down the river to fill his own wallet.

Why would you vote labour knowing they have such odious and objectionable men in there ranks ? The man is a major crook.

you may be right, Mme. But I am interested in logic, and debate, and where I think that neither are well served, I point it out.

Also, I offered my voting intention in response to MMeB's question and in the spirit of transparency - I'm debating the logic of her point, but am not hugely interested in party-political argy-bargy at this level.

You seem to know nothing, OBM

Talking of odious men, the reason I would not vote Tory can be summed up in two words: George Osbourne.

Touché, fo sho. Does unionism - in the context of being Scottish - actually amount to much more than football trbalism?

Aaanyways. To return to the original point, being Scottish by birth is not the same thing as being, by birth, a member of the minute social stratum which can afford - and, crucially, chooses - to send its male children to Eton.

I don't think I have much more to add to this point. It's pretty clear.

It's all to do with everyone being derbrained, linc. And that is not in jest.

Tell me, onebatmother. If you vote labour, your going to put Peter Mandelson back into power, because although hes an unelected Lord, he sticks his nose in and managed to get himself into positions of power in government.

The man has been thrown out of public office twice because hes a liar and a cheat, hes an expert in lining his own pocket with public money, and he a slimy two faced traitor who will sell us down the river to fill his own wallet.

Why would you vote labour knowing they have such odius and objectionable men in there ranks ? The man is a major crook.

Derbrained then, eh? Anyone would be to vote Labour.

But that wasn't my point. My point was the stupendous lack of logic in your argument.

Labour.

I don't really know what derbrained means. I am obviously burdened by being Scottish, Unionist, married, privately educated, working etc.

Tinasan Sun 11-Apr-10 21:00:20 , and "

Anyway you can't spell and are obviously a complete moron."

See, like most internet noobs, you dont understand the difference between spelling and keyboarding. I can spell perfectly fine, but my keyboarding is a lot sloppier, and since this is a throw away internet forum, whats the point of checking the spelling?

I find people who resort to attacking spelling and grammar on forums are usually a) anal anoraks and b) fresh out of debating tactics.

As for North Sea Oil, production for the UK (North Sea, west of Shetland) peaked in 1999. We became a net importer of oil at the beginning of 2006, shortly before the peak in global oil production and will effectively run out by about 2020. So at best ten years then your screwed.

you are being wilfully derbrained. That's my point.

Your point?

Erm, no. Quite definitely no.

You may just as relevantly say 'David Lammy is black because his parents were black. DC is OE because his parents sent him there.'

Wilfully derbrained.