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Who will join me in emailing Clarks? Yet another strappy, pink summer for our DDs

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Annner · 23/03/2010 19:59

I'm ready to be flamed as being a harpy who thinks about things toooo much. But I went into Clarks today to look at their summer range - forward planning for Easter holiday shoe-buying fest. And I'm even more dismayed than usual about what they have on offer for girls, as the boys' range was so nice and so fantastically tailored for an active child.

It really struck me that the perennial Mumsnet moans about Clarks and their lack of choice for girls is a political issue. It's about objectification starting young. It's about sending a clear message about how much charging around you can do.

In their catalogue were two shoes - a sandal and a shoe, that had a heel. Starting at size 13. I know 6 year olds in size 13s, and so we aren't talking about sparkly dressing up clothes, we are talking about real shoes that real girls will be wearing while they are still in the infants.

Their staff told me that there is no demand for more rugged shoes. I asked why, for example this could not be made in a purple, or even plum, or even pink, goddammit. There is no demand, I was told. She told me that they expect this and this to be their biggest sellers for girls this summer. The colour of the latter is even called "lipstick" - just in case we are in any doubt.

So, if you have ever ranted about the limitations of Clarks, or their lack of choice, please join me in emailing them.

Disclaimer: I know that many of you like pink. Hell, I'm quite fond of it. What I am objecting to is the lack of choice. Unless I want to pay five gerzillian pounds for imported shoes.

Dear Sir or Madam,
I visited your Annnerville store today to look at what your children's ranges this spring/summer. The contrast between the two sides of the symmetrical display really shocked me.

On the boys' side of the shelves: rugged, supportive sandals and shoes, chunky soles, thick straps, all calling out to be worn to run down hills, tramp across the fields and charge around the school playground.

On the girls' side? White. Strappy. Pink. Even heels (starting at size 13). Nothing that I would consider suitable even for a regular walk into town, never mind the fun and rough wear that I want my five year-old daughter to enjoy as much as my three year-old son.

Just looking at your display showed very clearly the messages that children will draw about what they are expected to do. For the girls? Not to move around too quickly, or with too much dirt. For the boys? Have fun.

I would never try to run in strappy sandals, so why is this all that you appear to offer girls for hot weather?

And as for the trainers? I couldn't see anything that wasn't either white (again), pink, with a plastic toy in the heel, or covered with flowers. The toy in the heel seems to either raise the child's foot up (practice for heels in later life?) with it in place, or throw it back when removed. I have never met a parent with a good word to say about them, and so will not be buying them. By your own admission, Doodles are not suitable for everyday wear, so there is literally nothing that I can buy from Clarks for an active five year old who happens to want more from her sandals than that their white colour matches all her clothes.

In despair I asked the staff why your entire range seems to divide girls and boys not only into their own defined shoes (what would be wrong with a plain red or blue trainer, for example?) but according to what they are able to do in those shoes.
I grew up wearing Clarks shoes. My brother and I used to have the same Cica trainers, and we both had good rugged sandals that stood up to everything that an active childhood could throw at them. She told me that there was no demand for the sort of shoe that I am looking for. Please take this email as being my demand.
Yours,
Annner

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Annner · 24/03/2010 18:30

Exactly, BadGardener. I feel that I'm only taking them up on their own contradictions.

I haven't got the time or the energy to whinge about the multitude of shoe retailers/ manufacturers that make hideous girls' shoes. But they tend to do what it says on the tin, whereas the reality of Clarks' product range is a long way from the image that it presents of itself.

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BadGardener · 24/03/2010 10:17

If a retailer sets itself up as the sort of standard retailer of a particular product then it's perfectly fair to call them on that and complain if we don't like the range.
If Clarks were advertising themselves as 'Supplier of girly shoes for dressing up in to the most extreme girly girls in your family' then fair enough, but they represent themselves as producing appropriate footwear to be bought by responsible parents (all those leaflets about how your kids' feet will be ruined if you don't get the right shoes!) so it is completely called for to point out the internal contradictions.

onebadbaby · 24/03/2010 09:36

You don't have to shop at clarks- you have a choice- all sorts of unsuitable shoes are sold for children, it is up to you to buy the ones that are suitable. Try an independent shoe shop. There seems to be a brainwashing in Britain that Clarks are responsible for providing the most suitable kids shoes, I don't think they are. They don't even provide shoes in widths anymore.

scaryteacher · 24/03/2010 09:22

Clarks never managed to supply anything that fitted ds as he is a very wide fitting; they always tried to sell me something half a size too big. Start-rite on the other hand would not sell me what I liked, but what fitted. Ds always had Start-rite until we moved abroad and his feet got too big.

puffling · 23/03/2010 23:56

I get my own shoes from Clarks because I can't afford nice shoes from anywhere else.
I never get dd's shoes there though, too naff. She gos there to get her feet measured by the machine then I get Startrite for school, Converse, bits from TKMaxx.

I don't understand why people stress about Clarks. it's not the state shoe supplier, it's just a shop.

squilly · 23/03/2010 23:47

Thanks Megglevache for link to M&S. Sadly, dd loathes anything that looks like a ballet shoe. The nice, crossover strap shoes have a wedged heel, which is just too old imo for a 9yo (and she hates heels...is already head and shoulders above her peers) so I guess we'll have to trawl.

Hadn't thought much about La Redoute, but will go have a shufty now. Thanks for the tips....

Annner · 23/03/2010 22:35

Hellymelly, our problem (with cheaper M&S/ Next etc) shoes is that DD has unfeasibly shallow feet that are also broad ish. So they measure a D but end up buying an F. Think duck.

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maxpower · 23/03/2010 22:26

I'm so glad it's not just me that gets enraged by the crappy choice of girls shoes in Clarks. Totally agree with everything you said OP - in the past I was reduced to buying boys shoes for my DD from Clarks

hellymelly · 23/03/2010 22:25

This is why i do pay five gazillion pounds for imported shoes,well that and my dd's super wide trotters.

wubblybubbly · 23/03/2010 22:22

what about these from M&S?

Still a bit pinkish, but sturdy looking and a great price!

Annner · 23/03/2010 22:10

Hey, you are allowed to disagree
As I said, my views are based on seeing the summer range in its entirety in our high street - and not liking what I saw. Their girls's shoes are nothing like as robust as the boys' ones.

Whose advice? Sandals are sold for adults as being "sports sandals". If the DCs can't wear the sandals made for them, that is surely the problem of the shoe, no? How sad that there should be shoes made and sold for children that shouldn't be worn for active play. And even more sad that pretty well of those shoes are made for girls.

I have been told ad nauseum that Doodles type shoes (like the ones you linked to) are the ones that shouldn't be worn for long periods of time because they don't provide much support. I did comment on the equal crapness of their girls' trainers in my email at the beginning. Slightly different problem here: styles OK; styling hideously OTT pinky-flowery-glittery yuck to compensate. As if to make it absolutely certain that nobody could ever think that a girl in a practical shoe was wearing a boy's shoes.

Don't shoe shop assistants talk a lot of bull?

My DD is not "boyish" or "girly" As a child, she should be able simply to be childish.

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ruddynorah · 23/03/2010 21:57

not reading all that sorry.

  1. don't buy from clarks
  2. buy whatever shoes you want. dd wears 'boys trainers'
PixieOnaLeaf · 23/03/2010 21:56

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Annner · 23/03/2010 21:54

Good to see everyone browsing the Clark's website, though

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ToccataAndFudge · 23/03/2010 21:53

they had nice boys shoes in Clarks - bloody hell that's a first.

Annner · 23/03/2010 21:53

Yup, Paisleyleaf - but is there any grip on that sole? Going back to my hypothetical dash down a grassy bank? I probably wouldn't.

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paisleyleaf · 23/03/2010 21:51

I do quite like these though.

Annner · 23/03/2010 21:50

If you compare the thickness of the strap and the sole, there is nothing like as much ankle support. The point is the strappiness rather than the comfort.

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Lionstar · 23/03/2010 21:42

I'm with you OP. Why can't they produce some more unisex shoes and sandals, why do they have to be at such extremes? I want shoes for my DD that are as sturdy as the boys ones, but perhaps in slightly different colours. TBH I usually buy her the boys shoes becuase the girls ones just are not sturdy enough for running around the park or nursery etc. Most of the shoes we have bought have been fine if it were not for the boy (cars, dinosaurs etc) motifs on.

StartRite sometimes have a better range, but far too many leather mary jane types that just get scuffed to death. The Ecco brand are actually reasonably acceptable.

I avoid Clarkes now, local independent shops get my business.

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Annner · 23/03/2010 21:30

I found myself wondering why I was hung up on Clarks: after all, we do usually end up with Startrite, and by hunting around on the Internet we can find alternatives.

I guess that what it boils down to is that Clarks are one of the UK's most heavily advertised shoe brands. Aside from the debate over where their shoes are made nowadays, they posit themselves as a UK company, selling shoes to the UK from shops on most of our high streets. They are happy to sell themselves as a brand for the family and above all as a responsible manufacturer that cares about the health of children's feet, etc.

Now I am not naive. I know that the bottom line for all companies is the bottom line. But if you sell yourself as being responsible, I do think that you create for yourself a responsibility to consider how you present yourself, and Clarks just aren't doing that. When it is possible for them to produce this this for me, which is clearly a women's shoe, but a practical one, we're not looking at a complex wish here.

I've posted here before about the whole pink thing, and totally buy into PinkStink's arguments. This time I'm finding the style issue the harder one to swallow. It's impossible to know whether your DD would have been as active/ more active/ less active in a more robust shoe if that shoe was not made available to you to choose in the first place.

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SmithyTheBounder · 23/03/2010 20:50

Anner, I sort of agree with you, and I admire your willingness to try to do something about it. However, I don't see why you don't just buy StartRite instead. I do intermittently look at Clarks for DD, and am always rather disappointed, so retreat back to the safety of StartRite. That said, she had a pair of Clarks strappy sandals last summer (she's 5.9 now), and they didn't stop her from running, jumping, climbing trees, walking six miles, biking, etc, etc, etc - in fact, copying everything her big brother does. She just got them dirty, which is what happens to shoes. To my mind, it's an improvement on those pesky plastic clip-clop dressing-up shoes that she used to try to walk in when she was three!

EVye · 23/03/2010 20:43

I do agree with you. I took my 3 year old in last week and was offered 4 different pairs of white sandals, 3 different pairs of hideous pink shoes, and some doodles.

I took her to Barratts and bought some skechers.

Annner · 23/03/2010 20:40

Bunnylicious - it doesn't have to be in pink! I was quoting that as an example of how it shouldn't have to be one style extreme or the other. It should be possible to make sporty looking sandals in a way that will appeal to girls but without being suitable only for standing and watching other people have fun.

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gramercy · 23/03/2010 20:38

I'm with you.

Clarks shoes have become increasingly, er, common (cough, splutter, snob alert) in recent years.

Startrite shoes are way nicer but hideously expensive.

I see a lot of dd's classmates (year 2) stumbling around in really unsuitable shoes, or flat-footing along in ballet pumps. I dread to think what they'll be wearing come the summer.

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