TORIES

Not sure who Labout is.

"If you think you might one day have kids/be ill/be made redundant/have a relative needing care etc etc etc, forget the tories, they think you are less than nothing if you're not earning the cash."

Think that was Elephantsandmisamas - but other opinions too. I have done all of the above under Labour and got no help with any of it. I voted Labour the last two times but not this time. I find DC's 'broken Britain' catchphrase immensely irritating but would rather change government than let Labout carry on.

I am always alarmed by the 'have always voted Tory/Labour and always will' attitude. Very blinkered on both sides.

Totally agree with the OP, please don't vote Tory. There policies really are fucked up, the marriage rubbish especially - widening inequalities is a Tory speciality and they seem all set to go about just that if they get in (please god no). Tories getting in will mean some very real problems for many people (those who do not own land and earn plenty).

At present Labour have just seen the UK through a recession with a far smaller impact than it would have had on us had the Tories and their OTT neo-liberal policies been in power.

catinthehat...as posted on other thread..

i think its fairly obvious who the "politrolls" are. and i think your average mumsnetter doesnt pay a blind bit of notice. and i also think - well if the very least they are looking at this website and learning how critically important the issues that get raised, ie childcare, NHS are to us MN voters (who are apparently the hot focus group for this election) then just maybe we might get some proper and sensible attention paid to these policy areas rather than the ridiculous sound bites we are having to endure at the moment from ALL sides of the spectrum now.

I'm petrified trh

have tried to talk to them about porposed changes to DLA and all I get is 'we don't know'. the changes willpush a great many disabled people into a no-mans land (they don't qualify for SSD help, so they can't apply- SSd'shave strange blanket rules).

A few straight answers would be nice tbh.

speedy gonzales, if you think its just labour that are at it open your eyes. I used to work with a tory ppc who has a number of fake id's which she regularly uses to punt for business as it were on various forums. This whole site is one massive marketing machine, politicians of activists of all colours manipulate this board for their own purposes.

Actually the artcle (which is not actually a policy document) does make an interesting point about all parties needing to make an effort to understand how we (as ordinary people) communicate, express our views and are engaged now is very different from there old modes of indoctrination. We have more power than ever before and they need to start listening to us in a different way

'Stopping tax credits to high earners. We will stop paying Child Tax Credits to those earning over £50,000.'

That's from the Tory party website.

It's unclear if that is for a joint income of £50,000, or if an individual can get it up to £50k. I presume the former.

otterinaskoda

The news article is August 2009 - they have since backtracked and said they will cut for those over 50k.

The blog - he hasnt actually said that though (keeps fingers crossed!). It says if this is what he meant then this could be a risk.

Personally I dont see how supporting families through helping them with childcare costs creates poverty?! We get back less than we pay in tax for a short period of time - if he took this away one of us would have not to work and in the short and long term that would mean we would pay less tax!

What is says is

At the Tory Conference earlier this year, George Osborne outlined the Tories? plan to get rid of the Child Tex Credit for households on more than £50,000 per year in total. They said that this would raise them £400million. It emerged at the end of last week however that George Osborne has got his sums wrong and there is a real threat that a couple on as little as £16,000 each, less than the average earning, would be hit by the Tory proposals. David Williams said, ?Cutting Child Tax Credit for families on more than £50,000, far from raising £400 million, would only raise £45 million. If the Tories need to raise £400 million they would have to withdraw Child Tax Credit from millions of families on much more modest incomes.

Manfrom's post has worried me a lot. I've set up a new thread -if you are interested click here-
in case you hate the idea of party activists/interns posting from HQs under assumed names.

I might be the only one horrified by that article though...

Oh, and if the Tories win they'll install transmiters in every school, emanating special evil science waves, that will turn each and every child into John Redwood.

[may have been watching too much Dr Who emoticon]

Sorry, not read the entire thread but "They inherited a golden legacy of an economy from the Tories" made me chuckle.

I have drunk wine. The most coherent I can be this evening is:

Tories are mean

I think they're unelectable (as Labour were for a while)

and

Oh blinking Norah everyone hates Labour and so actually they might really lose.

Oh, and tying to be positive:

It might be a wake up call to Labour.

Feck.

change every ten years would not need to be heathy if they were in the job for long term goals instead of just wanting to line their own egos and pockets

Long term things would better the country much more than short term gains for votes - but that never really happens which is a shame.

Regardless of party politics, a change of administrarion every 10 years or so is healthy inho.

this suggest they may and its a may cut it altogether as they think tax credts creats poverty

this suggest they may and its a may cut it altogether as they think tax credts creats poverty

Yes it is the savings calculations that suggest that below 30k households will be the cut off

They have talked about cutting Surestart PLUS adding new "Sure Start Health Visitors" which makes me suspect that they will basically decimate Sure Start, sell of the buildings and replace it with health visitor clinics

Have I got that wrong?

here it is a labour blog though

If it were 32k and there was a marriage tax allowance we would be better off DH quitting his job and staying home which is just ridiculous!

I thought it was £50k too - do you have a link for the £32k cutoff Ivykaty?

32k - I thought it was 50k

They will stop tax credits of any sort for any couple earning over £32k between them. They will though increase the IH tax threshold benifiting who, well only those that have more money bully for them whilst taxing middle income earners.

So although they will let couples have a tax break for being married - they will take away more than they give to lower earners...nice not

I said Ninja, if you were dyslexic, then I'd apologise, so sorry; I know it's hard.

I want:
1: Strong defence and for it to be joined up with a coherent foreign policy
2: Defence to be properly funded and resourced
3: A level playing field in education with all students getting the same amount of money spent on them; not the regional variations and inequalities we see today
4: Benefits and help targeted at those who really need them
5: A simplified, understandable and accessible benefits and taxation system both at national and local level
6: Fraud in the public sector (including tax and benefit fraud) to be stamped out, or at least tackled as it costs the country £15 billion per annum
7: The tax free allowance to rise so that those on low incomes are taken out of tax
8: Our borders and immigration to be tightened up
9: A referendum on what we want as regards EU membership
10: The UK to get back in the black again

I agree Swedey.