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What do with think will be in Labour’s budget?

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tenpairsofshoes · 12/10/2026 19:04

They don’t seem to be giving much away but any indication that they might help kickstart the economy or are we just going to get £2 bus fares, £45 off our elec bill a year and petrol prices on google map? None of Labour polices seem to help anyone that is really struggling but isn’t in receipt of UC! I’m speaking as a single mother who is trying to sell a property to move on with my life but can’t. Yes I know I’ve very fortunate to have bricks and mortar but that doesn’t mean I’m loaded (because the property isn’t worth much)! I feel like everyone is expecting the chancellor pull a rabbit out of a hat but I think we’ll all be very disappointed/pissed off!

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Amythomas · 22/10/2026 10:12

EasternStandard · 22/10/2026 10:09

Would you rather have 35% debt to GDP ratio or over 115%?

Have you seen any news from France on how the latter is going?

Labour would rather have 115% as this would avoid upsetting their back benchers.

EasternStandard · 22/10/2026 10:09

RedTagAlan · 22/10/2026 10:05

Ireland you mean ?

That has been replied to. Unless I missed a post of course. Can you just remind me of where it works, in case I missed it.

Would you rather have 35% debt to GDP ratio or over 115%?

Have you seen any news from France on how the latter is going?

RedTagAlan · 22/10/2026 10:09

Amythomas · 22/10/2026 10:06

I was merely commenting on what policies I would like to see for UK business.

I couldn't give a shit about trickle down economics and I have no interest in proving whether it works or doesn't work for whatever politically motivated end goal you are as yet to disclose.

Reform have not yet been in government anywhere in the world so far as I am aware so this is irelevent. So if trickle down is an issue for you (it isn't for me), perhaps you provide examples of where it hasn't worked in the past. But don't involve me in your discussion, I'm just not interested.

But if you want to discuss policies for business, I have rightly asked what your experience is in this field.

I have an example. Kansas.

Kansas Tried Trickle-Down Economics. It Didn't Work. - Institute for Policy Studies (ips-dc.org)

Instead of Cutting Taxes, Listen to Kansas.

A failed experiment left the state with underfunded schools, gaps in public services -- and lessons for the rest of us.

https://ips-dc.org/kansas-tried-trickle-economics-didnt-work/

Amythomas · 22/10/2026 10:06

RedTagAlan · 22/10/2026 09:57

Quote "My posts have mostly been about what policies are needed to grow and support successful businesses here in the UK. You and Alan have criticised this."

And I asked for examples of where the policy you endorse works. That is all. It's not criticizing to say there are no examples of what looks like Reform policy, not working anywhere. Or not working better.

I was merely commenting on what policies I would like to see for UK business.

I couldn't give a shit about trickle down economics and I have no interest in proving whether it works or doesn't work for whatever politically motivated end goal you are as yet to disclose.

Reform have not yet been in government anywhere in the world so far as I am aware so this is irelevent. So if trickle down is an issue for you (it isn't for me), perhaps you provide examples of where it hasn't worked in the past. But don't involve me in your discussion, I'm just not interested.

But if you want to discuss policies for business, I have rightly asked what your experience is in this field.

RedTagAlan · 22/10/2026 10:05

EasternStandard · 22/10/2026 10:03

You’ve been given an answer below. I’m not sure why you keep asking @Amythomas

Ireland you mean ?

That has been replied to. Unless I missed a post of course. Can you just remind me of where it works, in case I missed it.

EasternStandard · 22/10/2026 10:03

RedTagAlan · 22/10/2026 09:57

Quote "My posts have mostly been about what policies are needed to grow and support successful businesses here in the UK. You and Alan have criticised this."

And I asked for examples of where the policy you endorse works. That is all. It's not criticizing to say there are no examples of what looks like Reform policy, not working anywhere. Or not working better.

You’ve been given an answer below. I’m not sure why you keep asking @Amythomas

RedTagAlan · 22/10/2026 09:57

Amythomas · 22/10/2026 09:50

My posts have mostly been about what policies are needed to grow and support successful businesses here in the UK. You and Alan have criticised this.

I asked Alan what was his experience of running a business? He still avoids providing an answer.

You are also avoiding giving an answer. I think everyone can see why.

Personally I'd have thought that running a business was a fairly key attribute to understanding the issues at stake with UK businesses.

It's the same reason why when I'm on a flight, I don't try to advise the pilots on the best course of action to get us to Tenerife. Why, because my not being a pilot gives me very little relevant knowledge and insight to be of use to the situation.

Quote "My posts have mostly been about what policies are needed to grow and support successful businesses here in the UK. You and Alan have criticised this."

And I asked for examples of where the policy you endorse works. That is all. It's not criticizing to say there are no examples of what looks like Reform policy, not working anywhere. Or not working better.

EasternStandard · 22/10/2026 09:53

RedTagAlan · 22/10/2026 09:52

Yup. And just for asking for an example of where what looks like a Reform policy has worked.

Ireland isn’t Reform and you got that answer already.

RedTagAlan · 22/10/2026 09:52

BIossomtoes · 22/10/2026 09:48

This thread gets more insane by the post. Apparently you have to run a business or be an economist to have an opinion. And if you’re a business owner you get a hall pass on evidencing your claims.

Yup. And just for asking for an example of where what looks like a Reform policy has worked.

Amythomas · 22/10/2026 09:50

BIossomtoes · 22/10/2026 09:42

This obsession with running a business is risible. How many economists run businesses?

My posts have mostly been about what policies are needed to grow and support successful businesses here in the UK. You and Alan have criticised this.

I asked Alan what was his experience of running a business? He still avoids providing an answer.

You are also avoiding giving an answer. I think everyone can see why.

Personally I'd have thought that running a business was a fairly key attribute to understanding the issues at stake with UK businesses.

It's the same reason why when I'm on a flight, I don't try to advise the pilots on the best course of action to get us to Tenerife. Why, because my not being a pilot gives me very little relevant knowledge and insight to be of use to the situation.

RedTagAlan · 22/10/2026 09:49

Amythomas · 22/10/2026 09:31

My business operates both in the UK and in the EU, servicing customs in both countries, and apart from some increased friction with shipping things from UK to the EU (there are ways round this), it is still very much business as it was before.

What about your business Alan, how's it doing since Brexit?

Do you deal with any countries that do the trickle down that you are proposing ?

Because would that not be a problem for you ? If competitors elsewhere got all the benefits of such a system, would it not be difficult to compete against them ?

BIossomtoes · 22/10/2026 09:48

RedTagAlan · 22/10/2026 09:45

We have seen Irelands exposure to the US with Trumps tariffs.

This thread gets more insane by the post. Apparently you have to run a business or be an economist to have an opinion. And if you’re a business owner you get a hall pass on evidencing your claims.

EasternStandard · 22/10/2026 09:45

Amythomas · 22/10/2026 09:31

My business operates both in the UK and in the EU, servicing customs in both countries, and apart from some increased friction with shipping things from UK to the EU (there are ways round this), it is still very much business as it was before.

What about your business Alan, how's it doing since Brexit?

@Amythomasit’s Labour MP type stuff, just remember that Pat McFadden line, even he got frustrated by the digging in, in his own party at every meeting.

It would have been similar.

RedTagAlan · 22/10/2026 09:45

BIossomtoes · 22/10/2026 09:34

Ireland is the epitome of boom and bust. The Celtic Tiger got completely out of control in the noughties and crashed spectacularly in 2008 because it was more exposed than the UK. It’s not comparable because it had the good sense not to leave the EU but it is still highly exposed to the US.

We have seen Irelands exposure to the US with Trumps tariffs.

LetMeButterYourParsnips · 22/10/2026 09:44

BIossomtoes · 22/10/2026 09:42

This obsession with running a business is risible. How many economists run businesses?

Are you an economist?

BIossomtoes · 22/10/2026 09:42

This obsession with running a business is risible. How many economists run businesses?

RedTagAlan · 22/10/2026 09:42

Amythomas · 22/10/2026 09:33

Yes it has some rather big issues because of illegal (and legal) economic migration of people from third world countries with very different values to the traditional native Irish population, turning parts of the major cities into third world-like ghettos full of violence, litter and crime.

Ahh right, So it's migration now is it.

EasternStandard · 22/10/2026 09:40

No one could want the debt France has and their issues. When you can’t respond to protests with funding you’re out of options.

RedTagAlan · 22/10/2026 09:37

Amythomas · 22/10/2026 09:21

If you actually know what you're talking about, why don't you show some examples of where it hasn't worked, and reasons why an alternative approach would have worked better?

Started that business yet?

Prove a negative you mean ?

How about Kansas is the USA.

Kansas Tried Trickle-Down Economics. It Didn't Work. - Institute for Policy Studies (ips-dc.org)

I daresay you will say that is a biased source or something like that. Instead of just giving an example of where it worked.

Instead of Cutting Taxes, Listen to Kansas.

A failed experiment left the state with underfunded schools, gaps in public services -- and lessons for the rest of us.

https://ips-dc.org/kansas-tried-trickle-economics-didnt-work/

EasternStandard · 22/10/2026 09:36

Amythomas · 22/10/2026 09:33

Yes it has some rather big issues because of illegal (and legal) economic migration of people from third world countries with very different values to the traditional native Irish population, turning parts of the major cities into third world-like ghettos full of violence, litter and crime.

35% compared to over 100%

That economic reality and difference is huge. Those over 100% will be paying huge amounts in servicing.

Germany is 60%. France was not too long ago, but voters and politicians, like many on here, think pushing it up always won’t lead to problems.

Amythomas · 22/10/2026 09:35

BIossomtoes · 22/10/2026 09:34

Ireland is the epitome of boom and bust. The Celtic Tiger got completely out of control in the noughties and crashed spectacularly in 2008 because it was more exposed than the UK. It’s not comparable because it had the good sense not to leave the EU but it is still highly exposed to the US.

What's your grand solution Blossomtoes? Assume like our rather evasive friend Alan, you also run a successful business so you have the hard-won experience to comment on this?

BIossomtoes · 22/10/2026 09:34

Ireland is the epitome of boom and bust. The Celtic Tiger got completely out of control in the noughties and crashed spectacularly in 2008 because it was more exposed than the UK. It’s not comparable because it had the good sense not to leave the EU but it is still highly exposed to the US.

Amythomas · 22/10/2026 09:33

RedTagAlan · 22/10/2026 09:28

And Ireland has become a clearing house of sorts for US corporations to stash their rest of the world profits to escape US taxes. Apple for example.

And it leaves Ireland over exposed to US Presidents. As we are seeing.

And sure, it might work for Ireland. Different systems for different countries. The UK however is a different beast because a lot of the legacy R&D is still in the UK. It is much of the manufacturing that has been offshored, but the HQ and research remain. Ireland never really had that base.

Same as with the US multinationals operating their taxes through Ireland. They keep their R&D in the states, because it is tax deductible.

Also, and this is fairly important. Ireland is still in the EU. So if you want access to that market, that makes Ireland attractive. For some reason the UK gave up the EU bit.

Oh, and reading Irish news, it's not exactly a utopia. It has issues too.

Yes it has some rather big issues because of illegal (and legal) economic migration of people from third world countries with very different values to the traditional native Irish population, turning parts of the major cities into third world-like ghettos full of violence, litter and crime.

EasternStandard · 22/10/2026 09:33

Amythomas · 22/10/2026 09:28

Who'd have thought eh that if you make a country more attractive for business investment, and remove friction and red-tape for business, that businesses would actually thrive, grow and employ people.

Interesting also that Ireland now also have a debt to GDP ratio of just 35%, which has shrunk from 73% debt to GDP in 2016. Whereas we here in the UK are now not far off 100% debt to GDP and debt to GDP is still growing.

35% blimey. Compare to France and what’s happening socially and politically.

All the we can keep borrowing, tax more for benefits that Labour MPs embrace and some on here really does reach the end of the line.

No room to calm protests and the costs of destruction on top, plus increased debt servicing. I expect even Healey is looking and thinking yeh not that.

Amythomas · 22/10/2026 09:31

RedTagAlan · 22/10/2026 09:28

And Ireland has become a clearing house of sorts for US corporations to stash their rest of the world profits to escape US taxes. Apple for example.

And it leaves Ireland over exposed to US Presidents. As we are seeing.

And sure, it might work for Ireland. Different systems for different countries. The UK however is a different beast because a lot of the legacy R&D is still in the UK. It is much of the manufacturing that has been offshored, but the HQ and research remain. Ireland never really had that base.

Same as with the US multinationals operating their taxes through Ireland. They keep their R&D in the states, because it is tax deductible.

Also, and this is fairly important. Ireland is still in the EU. So if you want access to that market, that makes Ireland attractive. For some reason the UK gave up the EU bit.

Oh, and reading Irish news, it's not exactly a utopia. It has issues too.

My business operates both in the UK and in the EU, servicing customs in both countries, and apart from some increased friction with shipping things from UK to the EU (there are ways round this), it is still very much business as it was before.

What about your business Alan, how's it doing since Brexit?

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