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What do with think will be in Labour’s budget?

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tenpairsofshoes · 12/10/2026 19:04

They don’t seem to be giving much away but any indication that they might help kickstart the economy or are we just going to get £2 bus fares, £45 off our elec bill a year and petrol prices on google map? None of Labour polices seem to help anyone that is really struggling but isn’t in receipt of UC! I’m speaking as a single mother who is trying to sell a property to move on with my life but can’t. Yes I know I’ve very fortunate to have bricks and mortar but that doesn’t mean I’m loaded (because the property isn’t worth much)! I feel like everyone is expecting the chancellor pull a rabbit out of a hat but I think we’ll all be very disappointed/pissed off!

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BIossomtoes · 22/10/2026 13:20

Electra10E · 22/10/2026 13:16

Is there an option to cut welfare?

Click the link and see.

RedTagAlan · 22/10/2026 13:19

NorthXNorthWest · 22/10/2026 12:59

I recall that is how Trump sold himself. As a businessman. See how well that has worked out.

No country has it all. But of those similar to us I like elements of:
Denmark
Switzerland
Netherlands
Sweden
Norway

I would like a State which:
Balanced it books
Encouraged/ rewarded productivity and contribution.
Was more creative and skillful at dealing with large corporates and billionaires
Didn't use the politics of envy to raid the productive and those who have managed their earning well under the guise of making ordinary workers the 'wealthy' who should pay their way.

And most importantly managed a welfare state that lived up to Beveridge’s original vision. because that is what cross party collaboration should look like: a report written by a Liberal, commissioned by a Conservative - Labour coalition.

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" No country has it all. But of those similar to us I like elements of:

Denmark
Switzerland
Netherlands
Sweden
Norway"

I answered a post with some data last week. Looking for the data again, here are countries ranked in terms of overall tax burden. The UK is 27th. All those countries apart from Switzerland are above the UK. They have a higher overall tax.

Top 10, 20 & 50 Highest Taxed Countries in the World (2026) — TaxAtlas

And here is public social spending as a % of GDP. Denmark, Sweden and Norway are above the UK. The Netherlands and Switzerland below.

Public social spending as share of GDP (ourworldindata.org)

So it looks like Switzerland is your optimum.

Public social spending as share of GDP

Social spending includes, among others, the following areas: health, old age, incapacity-related benefits, family, active labor market programmes, unemployment, and housing.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/social-spending-oecd-longrun?country=DNK~GBR~CHE~NLD~SWE~NOR

Electra10E · 22/10/2026 13:16

BIossomtoes · 22/10/2026 12:49

Is there an option to cut welfare?

Electra10E · 22/10/2026 13:14

BIossomtoes · 22/10/2026 10:44

None of your business. Or hers.

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Electra10E · 22/10/2026 13:14

BIossomtoes · 22/10/2026 10:44

None of your business. Or hers.

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I just thought you might want to burnish your credentials, that’s all.

NorthXNorthWest · 22/10/2026 12:59

RedTagAlan · 22/10/2026 12:10

What on earth. As I said, I used Trump as an example of a businessman running a country. Instead of making wild assumptions about me, why not just post a counter example, of a businessperson who is doing a fantastic job of running a country.

In fact, we can open that up a bit. Can you name a country that you consider as being run fantastically? Putting into practice whatever policies you like?

I recall that is how Trump sold himself. As a businessman. See how well that has worked out.

No country has it all. But of those similar to us I like elements of:
Denmark
Switzerland
Netherlands
Sweden
Norway

I would like a State which:
Balanced it books
Encouraged/ rewarded productivity and contribution.
Was more creative and skillful at dealing with large corporates and billionaires
Didn't use the politics of envy to raid the productive and those who have managed their earning well under the guise of making ordinary workers the 'wealthy' who should pay their way.

And most importantly managed a welfare state that lived up to Beveridge’s original vision. because that is what cross party collaboration should look like: a report written by a Liberal, commissioned by a Conservative - Labour coalition.

BIossomtoes · 22/10/2026 12:53

RedTagAlan · 22/10/2026 12:52

I use a kitchen chair, not an armchair :-)

All chairs are acceptable. 😉

RedTagAlan · 22/10/2026 12:52

BIossomtoes · 22/10/2026 12:49

I use a kitchen chair, not an armchair :-)

CheltenhamLady · 22/10/2026 12:47

Ilovebakewelltarts · 13/10/2026 11:15

Andy B wasn't even an MP originally.
He had a job in Local Government, then shoved a sitting MP out as part of a plot to get in as leader.
He's a 'snake in the grass' and I would trust a word that comes out of his mouth.

I actually know AB and he is a decent man, a family man who believes he can make a difference. He is worlds away from Boris and has principles. You may not like him or his party, but he is trying to make changes. Not everyone will like those changes, but give him a chance. Hopefully, he will change things for the better for the majority.

Personally, I don't mind paying higher taxes or having the WFA or the triple lock removed if the money is redirected into areas where the issues lie; care, fuel, etc. I care about others and hope the government policy reflects betterment for the whole of the country, not just a chosen few.

RedTagAlan · 22/10/2026 12:42

EEexpat · 22/10/2026 12:30

@RedTagAlan

And the people of Uganda ? What do they get, tax wise ?

Local employment of about 9000. Ugandan government will receive billions in revenue. That’s intended to be used for infrastructure development which will also create local employment.

Good stuff. And what does this prove in terms of what we were discussing, trickledown, and taxation ?

I see your project also has CNOOC involved at 28.3%. A PRC state owned company. As in, a branch of the Communist Party of China. So if Communist State owned companies can do this too, what advantage does your system, whatever it is, have ?

Last I checked for a discussion, PRC taxes are actually higher than the UK. Not by much though.

BIossomtoes · 22/10/2026 12:40

RedTagAlan · 22/10/2026 11:53

No idea. I have no idea who believes in the Holy Grail. I use it as a term that is understood. Even an atheist such as me knows what it means.

Exactly that. It’s shorthand.

EEexpat · 22/10/2026 12:30

@RedTagAlan

And the people of Uganda ? What do they get, tax wise ?

Local employment of about 9000. Ugandan government will receive billions in revenue. That’s intended to be used for infrastructure development which will also create local employment.

Littlecrake · 22/10/2026 12:17

What I think will happen

Increase in min wage by 6%+ from April to around £13.50-£13.80

Small or zero increase in public sector skilled wages eg nurses, teachers, further disincentivising anyone getting qualifications and striving for a better job. Why be a nurse with student debt and responsibility and loss of earnings while you study when the take-home for a band 3 hca isn’t that much less.

Further equalisation of taxes between passive income and wage income - probably a bit too much so investing and entrepreneurship will be discouraged - may as well keep you cash in the 5%s and be happy than strive to make a bit more and lose it in tax.

Extension of personal allowance thresholds for years disincentivising extra work by anyone on the edge eg nurses working nights/weekends/overtime or teachers doing private tutoring at weekends or people taking on a part time job on top of their full time one to support their dc at uni (having no job means the government supports them so you won’t need to work harder yourself).

More tax on business and jobs - more unemployment. Further demonisation of anyone who provides employment.

General head tilting sympathy towards UC claimants and another daft scheme like you can have a slice of white toast with a scrape or marge during school holidays for every child under 5 which will cost a billion pounds and save “hard working families” 18p a week.

Several other things along the lines of the £2 bus fares and energy VAT that save amounts like “£12 pounds a year” announced as if it is life changing.

Something on green energy that will mean families are better off by £4 a year from 2042

A fudge around defence spending

Schools given money to tell “working class white boys” that the arts, literature, humanities and even STEM etc are not for them and they will have “how to work in a production line” lessons instead. No support for actual production lines to employ people.

Some stuff that won’t come in until 2030 which will be immediately scrapped by the next government.

What I think should happen

Overhaul of UC and welfare- obviously.
There are some low hanging fruit - time and age limits on unemployment benefit. The number of hours people are expected to work - most UC claiments don’t work at all and the 1 in 3 who do work very low hours. Claiming carers allowance as a carer and as a receiver of care is all to often a pisstake. Benefits for migrants without previous contributions (not asylum claimants). Motability - no need for a new car every 3 years - it’s completely abnormal to replace a new car every 3 years. Layering of benefits that give an income that would put a worker into the 40% bracket. Reviewing which disabilities actually cost more and need proper support and which ones are just part of life and should be sucked up (people with adhd needing extra money for takeaways in case they forget to shop being a classic example or people wanting money for taxis as they have too much anxiety for the bus). Less meddling in how many bedrooms people have or “need” and who they live with. Self supporting families are expected to cut their cloth. Min CM to be calculated in the need of the recipient child, not the income of the absent parent (no £5 a week if you cba to work or work cash in hand) and should be treated as income in benefit calculations the way it is with parents who live together.
There needs to be much greater acceptance that people who don’t work or work minimal hours in unskilled jobs are going to be poor. Realistically unskilled workers need to work lots of hours to earn enough money to live on but this is somehow controversial.

Housing - make dense, conveniently located housing more attractive by overhauling the leasehold system rather than sprawling estates along every A-road in the country. If I was in charge I would make it the law that all new flats should include a utility cupboard to house your washing machine and vacuum and mop and where you can keep your coat and shoes so help prevent the occupants wanting to kill each other. The young and the old are particularly suited to living in flats but everyone panics about the service charges and buys a house in the arse end of arse instead. Our cities need more people living and working in them or they will die. Increase the LISA allowance and remove the limits of what can be bought. The new first time buyers scheme shouldn’t just include new builds. Remove or slash stamp duty on main homes so the market can move.

Overhaul of personal allowance and tax thresholds - I know a lot of people want the personal allowance to increase massively but when the 10p rate was in the threshold was closer to the equivalent of £9k. I would like to know what the numbers would be if the allowance and rate were both reduced - say £5000 allowance but 10% rate up to £16k - which is just about what someone on min wage working 25 hours gets, then a 20% rate up to £40k, then 30% up to £70k etc. The 20% jump does affect behaviour but maybe a 10% jump would be equally bad. As it stands people who barely work and people close to the 40% threshold change their behaviour to not go over. Full time work, extra work, higher skilled work should be incentivised.

Hospitality - what a mess. Massive food and energy inflation with huge rises in min wage and NI, plus increased regulatory burden such as spiralling insurance, needing certificates for cleaning equipment rather then the health inspector just looking etc have cut into already tight profit margins. 4 hospitality businesses go bust every day with the associated loss of jobs and very often another empty shop on the high street. Businesses are cutting employment but these are the businesses that so many working adults learned how to work in when they were younger. The government does occasional tinkering with business rates but the only thing that can save the industry is the abolition on VAT and a flat rate hospitality tax of 8-12% for everyone on everything including Greggs. The VAT system is too clunky and has insane exemptions and has cliff edge rates changes which discourage growth and encourage criminality. 45% of small, independent, hospitality businesses are paying zero VAT as they claim a turnover of under around £1800 a week. If we assume 25% costs for stock, it leaves the equivalent of 3 min wage workers working 36 hours a week and absolutely nothing for rent, utilities, card and banking fees, insurances, regulations etc. These type of businesses are like hens teeth, yet 45% of independent hospitality claims to be just that. If you are taking cash and not declaring it then you also need to pay wages in cash, often to illegal workers, and the problems cascade. No NI or income tax receipts as well as no VAT. Businesses that do pay often try to stay under the next threshold of £230k by seasonal shut downs, limited opening hours etc because when you tip over you have to turnover £1000s more just to stand still. We desperately need policies that encourage growth and create jobs.

NHS - unsustainable. We do far too much for free for patients who take no personal responsibility. It would take a very brave PM to declare a policy like £10 per GP appointment, prescription charges for all short term conditions for everyone (tbf I think kids prescriptions should be free), no free metformin unless you get your BMI under 25, no free investigations treatment for weight related joint pain until bmi is under 25. Appointment missing fees (would require very robust booking systems which are often absent) As a society we need a far greater emphasis on personal responsibility in terms of obesity, nutrition and fitness. I’m in my 50s and am of the generation where every primary school had 2-3 fat kids out of 200 total but we are an age group with obesity related heath problems. The current primary age population are going to be unsustainably expensive when they are older adults. I would bring more shit food into VAT - ready meals, cake, the currently exempt crisps, milkshakes, pasties etc. This would be spectacularly unpopular because so many people literally just buy a load of packets to snack out of or heat up on a tray rather than actual ingredients to cook with and people do need to eat and food inflation has been terrible in recent years.

We also need to end whataboutery in policy making.

I’m not an economist (obviously!) or the chancellor and I’m not getting into a snarky bunfight.

RedTagAlan · 22/10/2026 12:10

NorthXNorthWest · 22/10/2026 12:01

I use it as a term that is understood.

Context is your friend. But if all business owners/ people are Trump to you, maybe not.

What on earth. As I said, I used Trump as an example of a businessman running a country. Instead of making wild assumptions about me, why not just post a counter example, of a businessperson who is doing a fantastic job of running a country.

In fact, we can open that up a bit. Can you name a country that you consider as being run fantastically? Putting into practice whatever policies you like?

NorthXNorthWest · 22/10/2026 12:01

RedTagAlan · 22/10/2026 11:53

No idea. I have no idea who believes in the Holy Grail. I use it as a term that is understood. Even an atheist such as me knows what it means.

I use it as a term that is understood.

Context is your friend. But if all business owners/ people are Trump to you, maybe not.

RedTagAlan · 22/10/2026 11:58

EEexpat · 22/10/2026 11:49

@RedTagAlan

And does it affect investment at all ?

Yes. Ireland is a good example. Another is the Tilenga Project in Uganda. The main operator is the French company, TotalEnergies.

Total registered a company in the Netherlands for the project in Uganda because at the time corporate taxes in the Netherlands were lower than France. Head office was set up in London as rents were cheaper than Paris.

Also, UK taxes are much lower than France. So, the French staff were happy to be relocated to the UK. As they were not in France for 183 days or more, they did not pay French taxes.

So, the Dutch government will receive corporate tax and the UK government will receive income tax. Meanwhile French government receive very little.

And the people of Uganda ? What do they get, tax wise ?

RedTagAlan · 22/10/2026 11:53

NorthXNorthWest · 22/10/2026 11:46

I suspect the people talking about business owners are unlikely to the believe in the existence of a imaginary medieval relic. They are likely to be more discerning, so there is that.

How are career politicians (of all colours) getting on with corruption, tax, questionable property dealings and unreported freebies?

Asking for a friend.

No idea. I have no idea who believes in the Holy Grail. I use it as a term that is understood. Even an atheist such as me knows what it means.

NorthXNorthWest · 22/10/2026 11:50

EasternStandard · 22/10/2026 11:44

It’s bizarre. It would only take the pp to look at news from France to see what a bind they’re in.

Nothing similar about France to the UK is there...

Nothing suspicious in the silence at all.

EEexpat · 22/10/2026 11:49

@RedTagAlan

And does it affect investment at all ?

Yes. Ireland is a good example. Another is the Tilenga Project in Uganda. The main operator is the French company, TotalEnergies.

Total registered a company in the Netherlands for the project in Uganda because at the time corporate taxes in the Netherlands were lower than France. Head office was set up in London as rents were cheaper than Paris.

Also, UK taxes are much lower than France. So, the French staff were happy to be relocated to the UK. As they were not in France for 183 days or more, they did not pay French taxes.

So, the Dutch government will receive corporate tax and the UK government will receive income tax. Meanwhile French government receive very little.

Amythomas · 22/10/2026 11:46

Badbadbunny · 22/10/2026 11:39

The "bad" business you mention can easily be solved by competent politicians and civil servants managing those services better. Such as the ruinously expensive PFI contracts for hospitals and schools - negotiated and agreed by utter muppets in the civil service/politicians and letting big business shaft the UK. Same with landlords, why no controls?

Any sane person, landlord, business owner, etc will charge what they can get away with. You would too, if you owned a business or letting property. The REAL problem is utter incompetence at the government/public sector side of these "bad" contracts etc.

It's no different to individuals who, rightly, claim whatever benefits they're entitled to. Who wouldn't? Even if you don't "need" them, you'll take the money. Proper controls are needed.

It's why I get exasperated whenever politicians talk about "efficiency" and cost savings. You just know they mean cuts in services rather than actually making the services cheaper/more efficient to run and cutting the waste etc.

As director of a limited company, among other responsibilities, you are legally obliged to do whatever is in the best interests of the business and it's shareholders.

NorthXNorthWest · 22/10/2026 11:46

RedTagAlan · 22/10/2026 11:19

Yeah. And he just promised US farmers $8billion to so they can buy diesel. But reading about it, the US dept that is to pay it don't have it. So that will likely go onto the debt as well.

As you say, businesspeople is charge appears to be the Holy Grail.

I suspect the people talking about business owners are unlikely to the believe in the existence of a imaginary medieval relic. They are likely to be more discerning, so there is that.

How are career politicians (of all colours) getting on with corruption, tax, questionable property dealings and unreported freebies?

Asking for a friend.

EasternStandard · 22/10/2026 11:44

NorthXNorthWest · 22/10/2026 11:38

You know 115% make sense, right?...

Can't understand why you haven't had an answer on that.

Going hard on SMEs who are being productive and employing people in very challenging circumstances makes complete sense.

It’s bizarre. It would only take the pp to look at news from France to see what a bind they’re in.

NorthXNorthWest · 22/10/2026 11:41

Badbadbunny · 22/10/2026 11:17

This is a lot of the problem that people can't separate the likes of Trump, Musk, Bozos and various other billionaires, etc from the enormous numbers of smaller businesses. They're completely different types of people/business.

Unfortunately, we have people who can't see the wood for the trees because when you say "business", all they can think of is Trump and Russian billionaires, and not the millions of people working in smaller businesses, whether micro with just a few staff (or sole traders) up to medium sized ones employing a few hundred.

People are brain washed into thinking business is bad because of a tiny number of billionaires and they're incapable of seeing the difference.

Agree.

And yet the continual failure of career politician after career politician does not call in to question that route?

Badbadbunny · 22/10/2026 11:39

BIossomtoes · 22/10/2026 11:24

Quite the reverse. Obviously business isn’t bad. That would be ridiculous. But some business is bad for the country - businesses sucking taxpayers’ money to make huge profits from providing public services inefficiently, landlords having their mortgages paid by housing benefit. Those things are detrimental to the economy.

It’s possible to see the role business plays in the economy without running one. I’d rather trust the views of economists than someone whose view is coloured by self interest.

The "bad" business you mention can easily be solved by competent politicians and civil servants managing those services better. Such as the ruinously expensive PFI contracts for hospitals and schools - negotiated and agreed by utter muppets in the civil service/politicians and letting big business shaft the UK. Same with landlords, why no controls?

Any sane person, landlord, business owner, etc will charge what they can get away with. You would too, if you owned a business or letting property. The REAL problem is utter incompetence at the government/public sector side of these "bad" contracts etc.

It's no different to individuals who, rightly, claim whatever benefits they're entitled to. Who wouldn't? Even if you don't "need" them, you'll take the money. Proper controls are needed.

It's why I get exasperated whenever politicians talk about "efficiency" and cost savings. You just know they mean cuts in services rather than actually making the services cheaper/more efficient to run and cutting the waste etc.