Should we tolerate this in the UK?

Oh dear this is hard - I’m quite tired but go back to the post where I was quoted responding to another poster and work from there - it’s Monday and I need coffee

Why would he be, what relevance is that? He has been asked questions on the topic.

Unless you class anyone not white as not British or Christian?

Or a democratically elected person in a city with a 15% self identifying Muslim population- 85% are not Muslim so not sure how that makes non Muslims a minority?

So why did you quote my post to another person asking if they had asked their Muslim friends?

Doesn’t seem very relevant

Is he a friend of yours?

Obviously it happens across all cultures but in my culture, Christianity. I have never heard a leader, the Vicar etc, stand up an advocate it, were that to happen that person would be arrested. It's wrong to allow cultures that advocate violence against women get away unpunished. Personally I think that the laws of this country should be what determines acceptability.

Ask your Muslim friends if they agree 🤷‍♀️

"Can you acknowledge that the Pakistani Muslin rape gangs are a problem that requires universal and unconditional condemnation?"

There, fixed it for you.

'We'? Who is 'we'?

And who is 'you people'? (Post above the one quoting mine.)

I thought it was perfectly obviously how odious and shameful I think the imam's words where but I've sought to highlight the fact that you can think more widely around the subject without being told that makes me a supporter of these hateful views.

It's certainly not that long ago that Christian women were told by the Church to have sex with their husbands to procreate whether they wanted to or not it was their Christian duty and to love, honour and obey their husbands.

How dreadful. Let's stop educating women, shall we?

Fancy having people with empathy and the ability to see another point of view in public services.

I am sickeningly fascinated by people who seem to think that anyone who has an ounce of compassion or understanding for other people - especially the migrant scapegoat - is a) brainwashed and will allow them to get away with anything and b) unable to simultaneously condemn them for unpleasant and criminal actions. It is possible to hold both thoughts at once, you know.

Believing the above is one step away from saying refugees get new iphones handed out at the beach and a stretch limo to their 5 star hotels when they land on the beach. Ditto re the two tier policing trope. The people driving a wedge between us all over the world are manipulating fear and anger for their own ends.

How sanctimonious! It is possible, you know, to hate the words and attitude of the imam you quote and also (gasp) want to point out that it's not just Muslim men.

I've seen similar stances on the Fort Hood murderer: if we don't want him killed on live stream then we must support him. Whatever happened to nuance and reading round the subject?

The minute Reform was mentioned in terms of political parties with domestic abusers, you were the first to shout 'politics' when it is just a fact.

I find the level of discourse on social media these days utterly depressing, especially when the old 'silent majority' is trotted out (as you have with the rioters who attacked hotels).

The Daily Mail has an agenda, of course. 'Politics'.

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On that note, I can also say that a lot of the modern day slavery gangs I dealt with included a vast array of Vietnamese and Thai people. That’s an issue you rarely read about in the news at all! In fact, I can’t remember the last time I saw a case like that published in the media at all but it does happen and exists more frequently than you’d expect. I am not seeking to tar everybody with the same brush - in fact that’s my point entirely. You can’t blame an entire religion or race for such awful crimes when it’s individuals. 🤷🏽‍♀️

Given your argument re: expectation that there are more white grooming gangs given the population. Do you see a mass of condemnation from communities regarding white perpetrators? I don’t. In fact the only thing people shout loudly about is Asian grooming gangs and sporadic uproar about the elites such as Epstein. Perhaps if we ALL shouted louder about ALL grooming gangs then there would be greater protection for ALL women and girls which surely can only be a positive thing?

As for the underreporting - I speak of that from a victim perspective in that whilst the law takes its course with perpetrators, it relies heavily on witness testimony from victims. Many Asian women and girls fail to co-operate to bring their perpetrators to justice as they’re brainwashed with fear about losing their dignity, respect and honour by speaking out. I do not think that police fail to take action solely based on race. I think police & judges can and do make mistakes e.g baby killers who get relatively minor sentences because it’s deemed a momentary loss of control with no ongoing risk, evidence lost in cases, evidence being inadmissible due to poor paperwork etc etc. So many convictions also highly rely on juries and juries are a huge problem in our justice system. I did jury service a few years ago and the accused was deemed not guilty. I came across an article a few months later which detailed all the heinous crimes he had committed over the last decade, none of which were known to the jury making the decision at the time.

It has a name pathological empathy. It is predominatly a white, middle class, university educated, female issue. Public services in the UK are riddled with it at every level in every dept and its consequences are Rotheram, Rochdale, and Telford. Real women and girls have been are are still getting their lives ruined by it.

DV is perpotrated by all sexes, all races, all religions but if the Andrew Tate’s were exposing the same values as this Iman then the responses of some women would be very different look at the reaction to Adolescence.

No body should be encoraging Men to beat women, Fucking no one!!

It’s that simple, isn’t it?