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Is changing donation laws for Reform retrospectively unfair or politically justified?

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Gav1961 · 15/09/2026 08:19

I wonder if others have a view on this:

I should start by saying I am no supporter of the Reform Party… not by any measure… but it sometimes we all have a right and indeed a duty to speak up when we see injustice. Even when done to those we might dislike. An old-fashioned notion I know, but a valuable one none the less.

So… The Labour party (temporality constituting the government) , who have received tens of millions of pounds from union member subscriptions over the years… so effectively from one body… have decided that whilst the massive donations to Reform are currently legal, they, the labour government with the approval of all the other parties, will make the receipt of such currently legal gifts, retrospectively illegal.

Mmmm…

Last month I saw that same government protest that the convicted ringleader of the Rochdale grooming gang, cannot be sent back to Pakistan when he is released from prison… because any law made to do this could not be retrospective…. It just would not be British.

OK I have my disagreements and issues with Reform… but does a legitimate UK political party really deserve to be treated worse than a convicted gang leader of groomers?

Anyone else see that as a bit odd, a bit contradictory, a bit self-serving… unconstitutional and illogical? Come on, don’t be shy… it’s just an opinion.

Funny thing is that whilst the cash would undoubtably have helped reform in its bit to run the UK there is one thing that would be more effective in swelling its ranks…. That is a blatantly unfair and self-serving retrospective law hamstringing their attempts to grow.

For anyone who doubts the unintended effects of grossly and manifestly unfair treatment of a one group over another (regardless of its actual merit)… study internment in N Ireland. The single most effective recruited campaign for any organisation… ever. But then not one had at the time tried to bribe the voting public with £5000 dollars each… 😊

People do not like unfairness. I would go so far as to say that Labour are walking into a trap… So predictable was this reaction. Think about it… maybe these guys never thought their £36m was at risk… or am I now getting a little conspiracy theorist?

What are the strategists thinking? Apart from being unfair, non-democratic and blatantly self-serving… There could be no better way to swell the ranks of Reform. The very thing they want to avoid.

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Mouldemort · 15/09/2026 21:27

Windsurf · 15/09/2026 21:20

Why does parliament in Britain depend so heavily on MPs not born here or born to immigrant parents?

A person born of immigrant parents is British. Unless you have some Reform-y racist reason, what possible objection do you have to that? And anyone British can stand for parliament, and if they are elected, what business is it of yours?

BIossomtoes · 15/09/2026 21:26

The Telegraph is the horse’s mouth?

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 15/09/2026 21:26

Windsurf · 15/09/2026 21:20

Why does parliament in Britain depend so heavily on MPs not born here or born to immigrant parents?

Ah, so you're not talking about foreign nationals? You're including British people who may have been born overseas and British people with one or more immigrant parents? Surely you aren't referring to these people as "foreign"?

As to why those particular people are in Parliament, it will be because their constituents have elected them. That's how our parliamentary democracy works.

EasternStandard · 15/09/2026 21:25

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 15/09/2026 21:23

Firstly, what's your evidence that 11% of MPs are foreign nationals? Reliable source, please.

Secondly, can you not see the difference between foreign nationals who have chosen to make their homes in the UK and have been elected to public office by the British electorate and wealthy people who don't even live here but want to use their wealth to buy influence?

They do live here. Delo is one of the youngest billionaires to sign up to give away his wealth. Of course most countries would love an Oxbridge first mathematician who gives away millions. Except it’s to a party that makes Labour jump.

JohnBullshit · 15/09/2026 21:24

Whining about establishment unfairness is a fundamental part of the Reform playbook. Right now I think a number of their sympathisers are uncomfortable with the idea of being in the pockets of individual billionaires. If they're forced to hand the donations back, the balance shifts back to Reform being the plucky underdogs, being deprived of their rights by a callous and unfair technicality.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 15/09/2026 21:23

Windsurf · 15/09/2026 20:51

That foreign influence doesn't matter. Over one in ten MPs.

Firstly, what's your evidence that 11% of MPs are foreign nationals? Reliable source, please.

Secondly, can you not see the difference between foreign nationals who have chosen to make their homes in the UK and have been elected to public office by the British electorate and wealthy people who don't even live here but want to use their wealth to buy influence?

pointythings · 15/09/2026 21:23

Windsurf · 15/09/2026 21:20

Why does parliament in Britain depend so heavily on MPs not born here or born to immigrant parents?

Why does that bother you so much? I mean, if you're worried about foreign influence, you should probably widen your scope to include MPs who have spouses who are foreign national. Like the PM. Or like Nigel Farage.

Or you could get over the xenophobia.

Warmlight1 · 15/09/2026 21:21

EasternStandard · 15/09/2026 21:18

They are invested, one of them gives millions to Oxbridge and other mathematical orgs as he got a first there after schooling here.

Plus other philanthropic causes.

...like women being assaulted.
It's not something that should be ignored. How can you look at that and give someone £70 million pounds? And not think - I'm rewarding that? Especially if you are very intelligent
I mean it undermines all the other stuff. The optics are literally sxxt.

Windsurf · 15/09/2026 21:20

PerkingFaintly · 15/09/2026 21:12

@Clavinova , why DOES Reform need to depend so heavily on billionaires living overseas?

Whether they move back here for a short period or not, they haven't been committed enough to the UK to want to actually live here or pay their taxes here – not until they have hopes of a very specific government that they would have paid millions of pounds to.

It's not illegal at the moment, but the optics for these billionaires are terrible.

Also, why are both billionaires from crapto? If Reform were to form a government and make any moves which favoured crapto, or favoured billionaires, it would make Reform look terribly corrupt.

Why does parliament in Britain depend so heavily on MPs not born here or born to immigrant parents?

Mouldemort · 15/09/2026 21:19

Windsurf · 15/09/2026 20:34

11 percent of MPs in Britain are foreign. This foreign influence seems to be perfectly acceptable.

0% of our MPs are foreign, and those who were born abroad are British citizens.

They are not convicted criminals pardoned by Trump who are trying to buy cryptocurrency legislation from Reform.

Clavinova · 15/09/2026 21:19

PerkingFaintly · 15/09/2026 21:12

@Clavinova , why DOES Reform need to depend so heavily on billionaires living overseas?

Whether they move back here for a short period or not, they haven't been committed enough to the UK to want to actually live here or pay their taxes here – not until they have hopes of a very specific government that they would have paid millions of pounds to.

It's not illegal at the moment, but the optics for these billionaires are terrible.

Also, why are both billionaires from crapto? If Reform were to form a government and make any moves which favoured crapto, or favoured billionaires, it would make Reform look terribly corrupt.

Straight from the horse's mouth;

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/09/11/ben-delo-im-giving-reform-millions-make-next-election-fair/

EasternStandard · 15/09/2026 21:18

PerkingFaintly · 15/09/2026 21:17

It's a Bill, not an Act.

That's the point. It has been written and is currently passing through the Houses of Parliament, but hasn't yet been passed.

And the answer to the question, has it been determined they don’t meet the current version?

EasternStandard · 15/09/2026 21:18

PerkingFaintly · 15/09/2026 21:12

@Clavinova , why DOES Reform need to depend so heavily on billionaires living overseas?

Whether they move back here for a short period or not, they haven't been committed enough to the UK to want to actually live here or pay their taxes here – not until they have hopes of a very specific government that they would have paid millions of pounds to.

It's not illegal at the moment, but the optics for these billionaires are terrible.

Also, why are both billionaires from crapto? If Reform were to form a government and make any moves which favoured crapto, or favoured billionaires, it would make Reform look terribly corrupt.

They are invested, one of them gives millions to Oxbridge and other mathematical orgs as he got a first there after schooling here.

Plus other philanthropic causes.

pointythings · 15/09/2026 21:17

Clavinova · 15/09/2026 21:10

BBC yesterday:

Labour has received almost £43m from trade union donors since 2020.

As a reminder, Labour regularly receives donations from trade unions - in an earlier post, BBC Verify examined how Labour received £5m in 2025, and £12m in 2024, an election year.

£43 million in 6 years or £72 million in 2 days. Yep, exactly the same. Clearly.

PerkingFaintly · 15/09/2026 21:17

EasternStandard · 15/09/2026 21:06

Has that been confirmed? That it’s impermissible under the current Act.

If that’s the case then new amendments won’t be needed to stop them.

It's a Bill, not an Act.

That's the point. It has been written and is currently passing through the Houses of Parliament, but hasn't yet been passed.

pointythings · 15/09/2026 21:16

Windsurf · 15/09/2026 20:53

Hilarious

You're Rupert Lowe and I claim my £5.

Mouldemort · 15/09/2026 21:15

Clavinova · 15/09/2026 21:10

BBC yesterday:

Labour has received almost £43m from trade union donors since 2020.

As a reminder, Labour regularly receives donations from trade unions - in an earlier post, BBC Verify examined how Labour received £5m in 2025, and £12m in 2024, an election year.

The Labour Party is the parliamentary wing of the unions. These are optional donations made by individual British donors and we know exactly what they want for their money - better workers rights, fair taxation and decent wages.

This isn't remotely similar in scale or kind to Reform's obvious bribes.

Clavinova · 15/09/2026 21:14

Warmlight1 · 15/09/2026 21:04

...but the perception of targeted funding donations from crip toe billionaires when everyone knows it's a power grab by the worst people.....that's ok? We should be powerless?
Can we get our big girl.pants on here.

Who are 'the worst people'?

Warmlight1 · 15/09/2026 21:13

Mouldemort · 15/09/2026 21:12

There should be a high bar for retrospective legislation but this definitely passes the threshold, because it undermines our democracy.

That's what I said.

PerkingFaintly · 15/09/2026 21:12

@Clavinova , why DOES Reform need to depend so heavily on billionaires living overseas?

Whether they move back here for a short period or not, they haven't been committed enough to the UK to want to actually live here or pay their taxes here – not until they have hopes of a very specific government that they would have paid millions of pounds to.

It's not illegal at the moment, but the optics for these billionaires are terrible.

Also, why are both billionaires from crapto? If Reform were to form a government and make any moves which favoured crapto, or favoured billionaires, it would make Reform look terribly corrupt.

Mouldemort · 15/09/2026 21:12

There should be a high bar for retrospective legislation but this definitely passes the threshold, because it undermines our democracy.

Warmlight1 · 15/09/2026 21:11

Ok so the issue is the ' optics'
These are the optics
A woman was assaulted and laughed at and two blokes have immediately coughed up £70 million presumably to promote more of the same.
It's very visible that party entertains and is attracted to abusers of women.
Millions of hard working people who pay tax in the UK make individual donations of a proportion of their much lower incomes which they choose despite it being a significant commitment. That looks much better than these sus large donations.
Why should people who live abroad specifically so they don't pay tax here acquire such influence? They should sodding well pay tax. At least a year's worth if not more.

Clavinova · 15/09/2026 21:10

RedTagAlan · 15/09/2026 08:50

A pedantic point of order re the OP's header post. Quote "So… The Labour party (temporality constituting the government) , who have received tens of millions of pounds from union member subscriptions over the years… so effectively from one body…"

You have to go back a hell of a lot of years to get the cumulative Union donations into the tens of millions.

Eg, in 2024, I get this

  • Unite the Union – £362,625.00
  • GMB – £290,125.00
  • Union of Shop, Distributive and Allied Workers (USDAW) – £213,574.42
  • UNISON – £158,175.00

Source

The top 20 donors to Labour this year in the lead-up to the general election - LabourList

For sure, looking at that list there could be worries there about potential influence, from other donors. But unions are member driven and they want legislation that helps their big membership. So any influence they might be able to exert, is for the benefit of their members. As in, workers. And if you add up the number of members in the above unions, that is a lot of workers.

Not for the benefit of individual billionaire donors.

BBC yesterday:

Labour has received almost £43m from trade union donors since 2020.

As a reminder, Labour regularly receives donations from trade unions - in an earlier post, BBC Verify examined how Labour received £5m in 2025, and £12m in 2024, an election year.

TemperanceWest · 15/09/2026 21:09

sleepwouldbenice · 15/09/2026 20:58

Yep. Rather obvious

Username+number seems to be a popular choice for Reform supporters lately.

TemperanceWest · 15/09/2026 21:06

Windsurf · 15/09/2026 20:47

11 percent are foreign, including 6 of the 11 percent not born here.

Can you link to your figures. Please?

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