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2 private donations of £36m each to one political party - is this the future of democracy in a world at the mercy of tech bros?

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IwantToRetire · 13/09/2026 01:38

Not particularly interested in discussing Reform. As anyone who wants to do that could set up a thread just like there is one about the Greens.

Of course the money could just be frittered away, but do these donations create an imbalance in terms of other parties having a voice, not just now, but when there is the next General Election.

For info (and there may be others) short bios about each man who has donated. Although, if as stated, they don't expect to decide party policy, maybe their personal history doesn't matter.

https://news.sky.com/story/ben-delo-and-christopher-harborne-who-are-reform-uks-two-mega-donors-13584792

Edited to add: I would ask this question if such donations had been made to any other Party, whether Labour, Tory, Greens etc..

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Greyrock79 · 14/09/2026 09:53

Those objecting to the 72m donation, are just because it’s not to Labour - otherwise you would not hear a peep.

If we are being honest.

LuckyHazelFox · 14/09/2026 09:51

BIossomtoes · 14/09/2026 09:46

You mean like they will be when this legislation is passed.

You mean if it's passed.

BIossomtoes · 14/09/2026 09:46

LuckyHazelFox · 14/09/2026 09:06

2m from Lord Sainsbury in recent years to Labour? There are only irrational debates to be had when it comes to Reform. It's like a rabid feeding frenzy I have never seen with any other party. I agree, rules applied and scrutinised equally or not at all.

You mean like they will be when this legislation is passed.

LuckyHazelFox · 14/09/2026 09:06

Portakalkedi · 13/09/2026 11:44

Why is this seen as such a terrible thing because it's Reform? Surely the other parties have been given much more than this in the decades since they were formed, usually in return for favours, contracts, honours. Hardly news. Doesn't make it right but as with most things the rules should apply equally to all.

2m from Lord Sainsbury in recent years to Labour? There are only irrational debates to be had when it comes to Reform. It's like a rabid feeding frenzy I have never seen with any other party. I agree, rules applied and scrutinised equally or not at all.

MeNotYouJustMe · 14/09/2026 07:37

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 13/09/2026 20:43

Well Farage is always saying they're out to get him, it's not paranoia if they are.
By hook and by crook they're going to stop the revolution. 😂

Revolution???? 🤣

I love this idea that Farage and his cronies are going to sweep into power and work tirelessly for “the people”. They’re shameless fucking grifters who are out to line their own pockets. They’ll be no “revolution” 🙄.

NowSober · 14/09/2026 07:30

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 13/09/2026 20:33

Haha, Rayner talking about changing the rules on donations <and making them retrospective>.
They really are shameless.

This is not news. The plan has always been for the changes to be retrospective. The date of 25 March 2026 is hard coded into the legislation currently having a second reading in the House of Lords.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 13/09/2026 20:43

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 13/09/2026 20:33

Haha, Rayner talking about changing the rules on donations <and making them retrospective>.
They really are shameless.

Well Farage is always saying they're out to get him, it's not paranoia if they are.
By hook and by crook they're going to stop the revolution. 😂

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 13/09/2026 20:33

Haha, Rayner talking about changing the rules on donations <and making them retrospective>.
They really are shameless.

Bunnyofhope · 13/09/2026 20:07

What is the point of being super rich if not to buy power?

IwantToRetire · 13/09/2026 19:46

AwfulButTrue · 13/09/2026 18:59

You really think that if Labour themselves were the recipients of these donations they would have rejected them and be talking about making these changes??

I think there would be quite a push back from within the Party.

But then I am not under any illusion that any of the Parties are moral.

And the point is not which party, but the principle or single large donations from one source.

Or even should there be a limit.

Unless of course a Party was prepared to say thanks for the money when we get into office we will build more houses or something.

What is wrong with our political system that running a Party costs this amount of money.

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AwfulButTrue · 13/09/2026 18:59

You really think that if Labour themselves were the recipients of these donations they would have rejected them and be talking about making these changes??

IwantToRetire · 13/09/2026 18:55

There's a huge difference between raising funds from a number of sources, and these one off sizeable donations.

And for the PP nobody is saying the problem is because it is reform. In the OP I said I think it would be a problem whatever Party.

The issue is whether given the size of the amounts these 2 individuals now influence policy. For all I know members of Reform dont like them and hope they keep their nose out.

And for those who dont remember Rupert Murdoch came under similar scrutiny, not just because of the sums he donated, but his news paper influence, as nowadays there is SM influence. Although he had always been clear that his agenda was to make unions powerless.

Can you imagine the uproar if JKR donated such large sums to a political party? (Or course she chooses to use the money she has earned for good causes supporting women.)

But maybe this is just another symptom of the fact our political system is still hopelessly out of date, and unable to respond to change.

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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 13/09/2026 13:45

dustabsorber · 13/09/2026 13:07

How did Burnham get a Great North Run number, they are like gold dust.

Maybe someone who was allocated one, stood down for him so he could have another grandstanding moment. 😂

dustabsorber · 13/09/2026 13:42

Presumably he had protection officers running around with him?

Dillydollydingdong · 13/09/2026 13:40

Donations to the Labour party should also be stopped then.

dustabsorber · 13/09/2026 13:32

At least he has now been to the true North.

BIossomtoes · 13/09/2026 13:24

Then the charity would have been given an allocation of numbers.

dustabsorber · 13/09/2026 13:13

He has just popped up on the BBC coverage, running for some charity or other. "Doing good up North".

dustabsorber · 13/09/2026 13:07

How did Burnham get a Great North Run number, they are like gold dust.

BIossomtoes · 13/09/2026 13:00

I’d laugh if Farage took it all and legged it.

AwfulButTrue · 13/09/2026 12:40

dwordle · 13/09/2026 11:28

For them maybe. Maybe they should donate 32 million into cancer research rather than funding pet projects.

The thing that gets me is that the debate how we fund political parties has been going on since I was old enough to vote. We can't agree on this and it remains a unsolved to this day. How do we get a political system that represents the needs of the voters rather than those with deep pockets. How do we stop these donations influencing policy.

Democracy is an illusion. Labour and conservatives are 2 sides of one coin thats being flipped by the same person.

They do not want a 'rogue' government that won't tow the line.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 13/09/2026 11:53

The donors were planning £1million/month up until 2029. Labour tried to stop this by putting a cap on overseas donations and a stop on all donations in c. These wouldnt affect Labour's donations, mainly Reform's. The attempt to cap domestic donations (which would affect Labour) was stopped by the trade unions.

Because of this the donors gave the money in a lump sum rather than staggered as they were fearful Labour would try and queer the pitch even more.

£2 million per month given by Reform donors. Versus £3.93 million/ month spent by Labour in 2025, a non election year.

The Conservatives have raised £150million since 2021, Labour £128 million and Reform £38million before these donations.

Not a Reform voter (Conservative) but important to look at things in a fair way. IMO

dwordle · 13/09/2026 11:52

Portakalkedi · 13/09/2026 11:44

Why is this seen as such a terrible thing because it's Reform? Surely the other parties have been given much more than this in the decades since they were formed, usually in return for favours, contracts, honours. Hardly news. Doesn't make it right but as with most things the rules should apply equally to all.

I wouldn't agree if it was Labour, it's not the donation that bothers me it's the influence it buys. I don't particularly want the party system funded by the tax payer either

What bothers me is very influential people are undermining the value of a vote. If people can buy influence why bother voting at all because politicians don't seem to keep promises.

It's like drilling for Oil in the North Sea, I'll support it if it gives us an income to pay for decarbonisation of our railways and bus services....but I don't want to be shackled to the oil industry. For me it makes sense if it brings in income it doesn't make sense not having an alternative..like hydrogen or electric

Portakalkedi · 13/09/2026 11:44

Why is this seen as such a terrible thing because it's Reform? Surely the other parties have been given much more than this in the decades since they were formed, usually in return for favours, contracts, honours. Hardly news. Doesn't make it right but as with most things the rules should apply equally to all.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 13/09/2026 11:42

We can't, that's pie in the sky wishful thinking. There are things we could do to limit the influence, bring in tough laws around lobbing, make it necessary for all MPs to produce an account for any interaction, meetings/events, they have with people seeking favours. Stop giving out Peerages as political favours. Give more power to organisations like Tax Payer Alliance, who campaign for government transparency and an end to government waste of tax payers money. We could put an end to all the government funded quangos, whose sole job seems to be to lobby the government paid for by public money and to promote the politics of the government who fund them.
We could introduce civic responsibilities classes in school, and give children a grounding in the responsibilities the people who live in a democracy have to the democratic system.

Because in the end the people get the government they deserve.