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2 private donations of £36m each to one political party - is this the future of democracy in a world at the mercy of tech bros?

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IwantToRetire · 13/09/2026 01:38

Not particularly interested in discussing Reform. As anyone who wants to do that could set up a thread just like there is one about the Greens.

Of course the money could just be frittered away, but do these donations create an imbalance in terms of other parties having a voice, not just now, but when there is the next General Election.

For info (and there may be others) short bios about each man who has donated. Although, if as stated, they don't expect to decide party policy, maybe their personal history doesn't matter.

https://news.sky.com/story/ben-delo-and-christopher-harborne-who-are-reform-uks-two-mega-donors-13584792

Edited to add: I would ask this question if such donations had been made to any other Party, whether Labour, Tory, Greens etc..

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LuckyHazelFox · 15/09/2026 20:12

Clavinova · 15/09/2026 19:49

Oh, I get it now - ha, ha.

😉 ❤️

Clavinova · 15/09/2026 19:49

LuckyHazelFox · 15/09/2026 18:52

Do you think you need to repeat that?

Oh, I get it now - ha, ha.

Clavinova · 15/09/2026 19:18

LuckyHazelFox · 15/09/2026 18:52

Do you think you need to repeat that?

Sorry, not with you?

Clavinova · 15/09/2026 19:03

MelissaLovedMantari · 15/09/2026 08:34

People find these donations vulgar and undemocratic I think. There is a lot of support for caps. This quck survey from YouGov showed that. It is an ongoing survey but this was how things stood yesterday:

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YouGov survey featured here. Interesting;

Since November 2019, YouGov has published a more detailed bi-annual tracking survey which asks whether there should or should not be a limit on the donations that individuals, businesses and trade unions give to political parties.

It shows the highest level of public support was for an outright ban on all political donations, especially donations from trade unions and businesses, and caps were less popular the higher they were set. Over 50% of respondents supported either a ban, a £500 limit or a £5,000 limit on donations from individuals (55%), business (54%) and trade unions (59%).

Given that trade union donations benefit the Labour Party, it might be expected that union donations are viewed more favourably by Labour voters than other forms of giving. However, 59% of Labour-affiliated voters support either a ban, or a cap of £500 or £5,000 on donations from trade unions.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-11072/

LuckyHazelFox · 15/09/2026 18:52

Clavinova · 15/09/2026 18:47

100% of the funding of unions to Labour is the part of the subs contributed by members that have 100% given formal permission to contribute to Labour

Found this;
A trade union member who joins a union that operates a political fund on or after 18 February 2026 is automatically a ‘contributor’ to that union’s political fund, unless they have provided an opt-out notice informing the union of their decision to stop making contributions to the political fund.

So, it would appear that the burden is on the member to actively opt out.

This was also the case prior to March 2018. The Conservative government introduced changes which took effect between 1 March 2018 and 17 February 2026, whereby new members were automatically opted out of contributions to a political fund, unless they opted in. The Labour government has reversed that decision and opted new members back in as the default position. Sneaky.
(Members joining prior to 1 March 2018 are opted in as the default position).

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/trade-union-political-funds/trade-union-political-funds-a-guide-for-trade-unions-their-members-and-others

Do you think you need to repeat that?

Clavinova · 15/09/2026 18:47

NowSober · 14/09/2026 12:47

How many times do I have to repeat myself?

Trade union donations to the Labour party amount to about £5 million per year made up of voluntary donations from union members as the political levy. With 4 million members that's about 10p/week per member. So 100% of the funding of unions to Labour is the part of the subs contributed by members that have 100% given formal permission contribute to Labour. There is zero additional funding to Labour from the union members.

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100% of the funding of unions to Labour is the part of the subs contributed by members that have 100% given formal permission to contribute to Labour

Found this;
A trade union member who joins a union that operates a political fund on or after 18 February 2026 is automatically a ‘contributor’ to that union’s political fund, unless they have provided an opt-out notice informing the union of their decision to stop making contributions to the political fund.

So, it would appear that the burden is on the member to actively opt out.

This was also the case prior to March 2018. The Conservative government introduced changes which took effect between 1 March 2018 and 17 February 2026, whereby new members were automatically opted out of contributions to a political fund, unless they opted in. The Labour government has reversed that decision and opted new members back in as the default position. Sneaky.
(Members joining prior to 1 March 2018 are opted in as the default position).

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/trade-union-political-funds/trade-union-political-funds-a-guide-for-trade-unions-their-members-and-others

BIossomtoes · 15/09/2026 18:20

Smokeywater · 15/09/2026 16:44

I think it’s terrible that pensioners going over the basic allowance don’t pay tax just disgraceful.
Special dispensations across the board are ruining this country
im a pensioner -I suspect it’s because millions of pensioners would have to do an online tax return which they won’t have a clue about but it means they can continue to raise pensions higher above the allowance if they allow this -so unfair

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They could deduct the tax at source just like occupational pensions.

MelissaLovedMantari · 15/09/2026 17:58

Greyrock79 · 15/09/2026 17:49

Now, now - don’t twist it.

’Nice people’

’Corruption and violence’

Your words.

Thomas has never been a nice person. Whether he is a violent person remains to be seen, but according to him there are headlines incoming that may be problematic for Reform.

Greyrock79 · 15/09/2026 17:49

MelissaLovedMantari · 15/09/2026 17:34

I haven't judged him, just stated the facts, however inconvenient they may be to you.

Now, now - don’t twist it.

’Nice people’

’Corruption and violence’

Your words.

MelissaLovedMantari · 15/09/2026 17:34

Greyrock79 · 15/09/2026 17:26

Allegations, you say?

How would you feel if your DC or your DP was judged before trial?

I haven't judged him, just stated the facts, however inconvenient they may be to you.

Greyrock79 · 15/09/2026 17:26

MelissaLovedMantari · 15/09/2026 17:07

Reform's leader in Wales has just had to stand down due to allegations of assault.

Nice people.

Allegations, you say?

How would you feel if your DC or your DP was judged before trial?

MelissaLovedMantari · 15/09/2026 17:17

NowSober · 15/09/2026 17:11

Indeed!

Nathan Gill, Reform's previous leader in Wales is serving 10 years in prison for accepting bribes from Russia to ask planted questions when he was a UKIP MEP.

Yes. Corruption and violence.

NowSober · 15/09/2026 17:11

MelissaLovedMantari · 15/09/2026 17:07

Reform's leader in Wales has just had to stand down due to allegations of assault.

Nice people.

Indeed!

Nathan Gill, Reform's previous leader in Wales is serving 10 years in prison for accepting bribes from Russia to ask planted questions when he was a UKIP MEP.

MelissaLovedMantari · 15/09/2026 17:07

Reform's leader in Wales has just had to stand down due to allegations of assault.

Nice people.

MargoLivebetter · 15/09/2026 16:56

@Greyrock79 don't disagree with anything you have said there.

Greyrock79 · 15/09/2026 16:53

MargoLivebetter · 15/09/2026 16:48

@Smokeywater if you have a personal or occupational pension that takes you above the tax threshold, then you pay tax. It will be deducted at source by the pension provider in the same way as PAYE

Currently the state pension is just under the tax threshold. If the triple lock is applied at the next pension increase, then for the first time it will go just above the current tax threshold, meaning that a tiny amount of tax would be payable on it. The only pensioners currently not paying tax are those who are only receiving the state pension.

Yes, but YoY, fiscal drag will see pensioners paying increasing levels of tax. If you rely solely on the state pension, that will prove painful, in a high inflation environment.

MargoLivebetter · 15/09/2026 16:48

@Smokeywater if you have a personal or occupational pension that takes you above the tax threshold, then you pay tax. It will be deducted at source by the pension provider in the same way as PAYE

Currently the state pension is just under the tax threshold. If the triple lock is applied at the next pension increase, then for the first time it will go just above the current tax threshold, meaning that a tiny amount of tax would be payable on it. The only pensioners currently not paying tax are those who are only receiving the state pension.

Smokeywater · 15/09/2026 16:44

I think it’s terrible that pensioners going over the basic allowance don’t pay tax just disgraceful.
Special dispensations across the board are ruining this country
im a pensioner -I suspect it’s because millions of pensioners would have to do an online tax return which they won’t have a clue about but it means they can continue to raise pensions higher above the allowance if they allow this -so unfair

Greyrock79 · 15/09/2026 16:33

MelissaLovedMantari · 15/09/2026 16:31

What do you mean? I am not a pensioner myself so currently have no skin in the game. I can genuinely see both sides.

Ah but the PP does have skin in said game because they are a pensioner, and even they don’t want the triple lock.

I wonder how many agree with the PP, hence my Q.

MelissaLovedMantari · 15/09/2026 16:31

Greyrock79 · 15/09/2026 16:26

I shall resist the temptation to deploy the laughing emoji because I could have guessed your reply…

What do you mean? I am not a pensioner myself so currently have no skin in the game. I can genuinely see both sides.

Greyrock79 · 15/09/2026 16:26

MelissaLovedMantari · 15/09/2026 16:23

Am on the fence as I can see both sides of the argument. I remember when the State Pension was utterly pitiful and many pensioners lived in poverty. We shouldn't go back to that.

I shall resist the temptation to deploy the laughing emoji because I could have guessed your reply…

MelissaLovedMantari · 15/09/2026 16:23

Greyrock79 · 15/09/2026 16:17

So you would not want the triple lock scrapped, then, like the PP suggested?

Am on the fence as I can see both sides of the argument. I remember when the State Pension was utterly pitiful and many pensioners lived in poverty. We shouldn't go back to that.

EasternStandard · 15/09/2026 16:22

Greyrock79 · 15/09/2026 15:23

UK employers cut jobs, vacancies declined and private sector wage growth remained subdued over the summer, according to official data that could ease Bank of England policymakers’ concerns over high inflation becoming entrenched in the economy.

Payroll employment in the three months to July fell by 39,000, or 0.1 per cent, from the previous quarter, the Office for National Statistics said on Tuesday. The drop left payroll employment down 84,000, or 0.3 per cent, from the same period in 2025.
FT

The slow death of the UK economy due to jobs taxes, business rates and regulations. Only when that is reversed will that change. Sooner rather than later the overall tax take will fall to its lowest as economic activity dries up, people and companies stop investing. Next will be capital gains hikes with no indexation - again slowing the incentive to take risk when the only winner will be the person who doesn't work and the government takes the lions share with no risk attached….

I wonder how many are considering the possibility of a backdated exit tax and acting accordingly.

Greyrock79 · 15/09/2026 16:17

MelissaLovedMantari · 15/09/2026 16:07

It isn't "breadcrumbs" when it comes to other benefits though. UC for a single person is way less than that (approx £5K), but people want to see that slashed.

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So you would not want the triple lock scrapped, then, like the PP suggested?

MelissaLovedMantari · 15/09/2026 16:07

Greyrock79 · 15/09/2026 15:57

So pleased you said that, Blossom. Ain’t fiscal drag wonderful?

Not sure every pensioner will agree with you though.

Meanwhile, for all the hate the Triple Lock gets, £13k a year is a poverty wage in 2026. People bickering over the dispersion of breadcrumbs shows the state the country is in….

It isn't "breadcrumbs" when it comes to other benefits though. UC for a single person is way less than that (approx £5K), but people want to see that slashed.